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RG players and winds...what ya think????

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Mon, Nov 4 2013 8:23 PM

  andyson:

  I see more benefit for top players then. And no benefit, a negative actually, for the rest of the field. 

  An average player might be lucky and get the good winds and say triple his entry fee, but otherwise without the good wins he out of the money.

  One of those changes that is good for the few, not so good for the many.

  Another repercussion is if it causes less players in RGs, then less RGs, are less balls being bought?  It then hits WGTs bottom line.

  Yes Andy you are correct. The advantage is for the better player. The way it should be.

  Average players should not be winning ready gos.......period. Maybe once in awhile they might have a lucky round. And if did good for them.

  All players have off rounds even the best of them. Soooo  making it fair would mean the player who won played the best in that round.

  The way it should be again.

  No doubt in my mind why WGT has not changed this. Like i said before.... ripping players off is what it is. 

  That is the bottom line.

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Mon, Nov 4 2013 8:29 PM

  andyson:

  An average player might be lucky and get the good winds and say triple his entry fee, but otherwise without the good wins he out of the money.

   

  Ahh...ya getting it now:)

   

  So, let's look at a Par 5 best, 9hole RG in mod winds...worst case high winds...

   

  Let's say the average player gets 9 tail winds, and Mags get's 9 head winds...

   

  Mags struggles to birdie evrey hole, yet the average player, easily tosses in 6 birds and 3 eagles...

   

  The point is (IMO) make the course played fair for all...I'd rather lose 1/2 my entry fee shhoting a 29 along with 27 others, if 27 and 28 were ahead of us..

   

  Why?..because we all had the same conditions and oppportunites t sore well, or had to all face a 30 headwind into a 530 yard par 4.

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Mon, Nov 4 2013 8:33 PM

  That it Mike

  Like i said in my above post. ^^

  The average players should not be winning ready gos. Maybe every blue moon.

  And....the best struggle from time to time.

  Make it fair.... and the player who played the best in that single play game wins the money.

  Simple really huh??

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Mon, Nov 4 2013 8:54 PM

  geraldlarousse:

  Make it fair.... and the player who played the best in that single play game wins the money.

  Simple really huh??

  Sums it right up there G.

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Mon, Nov 4 2013 9:22 PM

  You better believe that sums it up!!

  Hey... i'm not here to worry about WGT's profit margin.

  I'm here to play a virtual golf game. I'm playing with my money and when i enter a single play tourney i want a fair shake to win.......period.

  I could give a rats azz about how much money WGT makes. Is any of that money going in my pocket??

  How anyone would not want a fair playing field is beyond me. 

  I would say the only one's who could possible want that is WGT and its cronies. Work out in the long run...lmao!! 

  Sounds like a sucker them in tactic to me...... no??  You bet ya.

  You hear the silents???    Yeah

• ColumbusStorm 3,417 Posts

  Mon, Nov 4 2013 9:51 PM

  Just seems so obvious that the winds should be equal for everyone in the same tournament, especially single play tournaments.

  There must  be another reason why WGT won't create a tournament with the same winds for everyone. Probably setting up equal winds can't currently be done with the way random winds are determined. Probably a major redesign of the programming for winds. I bet currently the winds are not determined until you step on each tee, that's when the random wind selector gives you the wind. Therefore wind is not predetermined at the beginning of round, but instead on each tee.

  To change the way winds are determined/selector must be a very difficult  and time consuming project.  If this is really the case, why can't WGT just admit the design was screwed up long ago and won't be changed anytime soon.

  Wait...............there is an update tonight, just maybe an equal winds feature will be included.   Don't hold your breath...lol

   

• paul167 154 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 4:17 AM

  is it not about time all RG tourneys where tiered, so then you cant lose credits to the sharks out there?,( im even complaining after finishing 2nd in 1 yesterday)

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 4:21 AM

  ColumbusStorm:

  Just seems so obvious that the winds should be equal for everyone in the same tournament, especially single play tournaments.

  Anything other than this offers a clear unfair advantage. To say they even out is an ideal, an abstract, because in my experience they don't.

  Wind speeds do fluctuate on courses but nowhere near the way they do on here. Players should get similar winds and similar directions...give or take 1-5 mph of a difference but in a same or similar direction.

   

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 7:35 AM

  thebigeasy707:

  ColumbusStorm:

  Just seems so obvious that the winds should be equal for everyone in the same tournament, especially single play tournaments.

  Anything other than this offers a clear unfair advantage. To say they even out is an ideal, an abstract, because in my experience they don't.

  Wind speeds do fluctuate on courses but nowhere near the way they do on here. Players should get similar winds and similar directions...give or take 1-5 mph of a difference but in a same or similar direction.

   

  +1 TBE

  How anyone can see this any different is down right craziness. It is unfair! Anyone that enters a single play game is not getting a fair shake to win.

  But...... what the hell we just had another downtime. Did you get your Alt. shot stats back??  Hell no!!!!!!!!!! You might not ever see those stats again!!!

  Sorry to say but i don't think these people are looking to do anything that require any kind of work to be done. Not into work......nope,,,,, into collecting cash.

  We are not a customers anyhow. So..... who cares what we think. I have been here way long enough to see what doesn't happen. To see that WGT could give a rats azz about its customers. 

  This site is like a circus. lol  I have never seen such incompetence in my life.

  :(

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Nov 5 2013 9:31 AM

  geraldlarousse:

  How anyone can see this any different is down right craziness. It is unfair! Anyone that enters a single play game is not getting a fair shake to win.

  Please keep in mind I'm speaking from the perspective of a player with lesser skills (much lesser LOL) than Baggs' or Gerald's top 200 TL status. Even within my own tier I have no delusion of winning.  It would require luck, the Perfect Storm of winds so to speak.  I'm happy with a top 50, delighted if I end up top 20 in a freebee T.   (Only since last Dec. have I been eligible to play RGs and I've merely dabbled in them since.)

  I do support having similar winds in tourneys.  I can see how it is unfair to players.  I do think the major comps like the VUSO should be similar winds as (TBE stated) at least, same winds would work too.  The best of the best should be on level ground as much as possible (given the random deviations built into the game. Circle of precision and all that.)

  But don't eliminate random wind tournaments.  Similar or same winds would be an additional format(s).  I say that because of the potential negative effects demonstrated above of having only same winds tournaments.  It could end up being a plus for players like me having the top players focus on the similar wind tourneys and not playing in the random winds tourneys.  To each his own.   And nothing wrong IMO with either.

  Let me throw out another idea.  If it were a same/similar wind tourney would you like the payout to change?   Instead of the top 30 sharing the pot.  How about just the top 3 sharing the pot?  Top 5?  Winner take all?