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This game scoring system flawed.

• MainzMan 9,593 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 3:51 AM

  I agree that the scores are stupid compared to real life but I don't think extreme weather or rough is the answer. 

  I'd like to see two big changes here.  Firstly make the clubs a lot worse, nothing better than the old G10 set.  The R11 irons are just so good they make the game too unrealistic.  Don't even get me started on the R1 driver.  I used to play with the Ping i15 irons back when they were the best gear available.  They were great if you dinged but pretty wayward when you missed, which was easy due to the fast meter.  Risk/reward clubs though, the way it should be.

  Which brings me to the second change I'd like. The last 10% of the meter to make the bar turn from green to red and your club loses forgiveness.   Being able to hit every shot with 100% power with no extra risk is silly, nobody can do that in real life.  Maybe 90-95% could be orange and half forgiveness, 95-100% red and all forgiveness gone or something.  Where you have huge fairways you might risk some extra power but for the approach on CCC#6 I'm sure most would club up and play within themselves.

  Some of you probably think I'm banging on about this too much but I really think the game is in danger of becoming stagnant when anything under 8 under for 9 holes is considered sub standard and we curse when an approach shot dares to be more than 10 feet from the hole.

  WGT can't just stretch the holes by moving the tee boxes further back.  Back to where?  The course are photographed, they can't Photoshop some extra fairway and a new tee box in.  Besides, it isn't only TLs who are hitting silly scores, the game needs to be made harder for everyone.  Make the free clubs a bit better so new players don't all leave in disgust though.

  Whether WGT would ever be able to downgrade all clubs at a stroke is another matter, I'm sure there would be a lot of outraged posts in the forums.  Changing the meter should be easy though.

  If it carries on like this where will we be in a years time?  Needing a 25/50 to have any chance of making money in a RG?  I hope not but I can't see anything else happening if the top clubs and balls keep getting better and better.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 4:59 AM

  Great post Mainzman IMO!

  Yep time for a visible change of tack WGT. The only people still saying random heavy winds in RGs is the way to go is WGT, just pi$$es everyone else off, and so needs to be changed.  VEM up is also a big no.

  How about the next set of R11 irons having increased forgiveness at say 90%, same as current at 95% then progressively less til 100%.  Quid pro quo is at 100% you get an extra 5 yards on your 3 iron which stops well if dinged.

  Now that's an off top head to open thought.  I am sure the super singular, and collectively almost god like minds at WGT can make more, but makes my point I hope.

• goodshot47 6 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 5:02 AM

  some TPC COURSES WOULD BE BETTER

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 7:41 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  Great post Mainzman IMO!

  Yep time for a visible change of tack WGT. The only people still saying random heavy winds in RGs is the way to go is WGT, just pi$es everyone else off, and so needs to be changed.  VEM up is also a big no.

  Yes Jim that right there is craziness for sure. The random winds in a single play game is beyond me. Any person with half a brain would know that is completely unfair. With this being said.... i could see them coming out with way better equipment than we have now. Why??... because no different than random winds..... its stupid...we don't think about anything but cash here.

  Mainzman made some very good points for sure. But......... few issue here.........

  Firstly....making this game realistic was not even on the radar when WGT came out with these clubs and balls.

  No..... making the most Money we can make was..... no?? Changing equipment to make scores higher is not going to make them any money.

  Just look at where this game has come down to in last year. All about the money!! Look at the clubs they have come out with at the lower levels...... lol.  $40..putters?? lol.

  You think they are worried about scores?? I don't think i need to answer that.. hehe.

  Can't see them downgrading anything or making the game harder in anyway. If did...... some of their cash takes a walk!! We can not even fix bugs that were introduced a year ago!!!!!!!!!

  Bottom line,, we do nothing if not going to make a buck. Remember now.... we are not customers,, we are the community remember????

  I will never forget that as long as i am here. Players that know what i'm talking about,, will remember that quick i'm sure. 

  In my time here many, many very good ideas have been submitted..... only to fall on deaf ears. The company is not here to make any of us happy...... nope only to take your cash!!

  Jump in Icon.... anytime you feel the need.......please correct me if i am wrong......  ;)

  I'm sure silent is the play......lol.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 8:05 AM

  geraldlarousse:

  No..... making the most Money we can make was..... no?? Changing equipment to make scored higher is not going to make them any money.

  Agreed it's all about money for WGT in the end.  My suggestion would not have to increase scores but would offer some risk reward if you really wanted to go for it now and then. Had a bad hole in an RG may be a way out with an LONG 3 iron but gonna have to take a risk hitting at 100% type thing. Hitting it at 95% would simply acheive what we can already do with teh existing clubs.  It would also allow WGT to flog anuva noo set irons:)

  At the moment the game just looks at an impasse, unless something happens.  OK some one very much brighter than me may be sitting there saying keep going the way you are as we are spreading like a bad rash.  I guess it boils down to whether WGT and there sponsors care about the top end or, more to the point, can they make money out of that.  May also be they feel it's also better for the low end to have at least some competition seen at the top?

  My suggestion was (glass half full) looking at ways to do be good for WGT (as nuffink gonna 'appen if that's ain't the case), whilst also being good for the player.  Recent upgrades in the Pro Shop (L70s through 80s) I think were generally received well by the customer / community whilst also (must of been) good for WGT to. I hope it's possible, with something like the above from Mainzman etal, to achieve a similar solution for the common good top end equipment wise. 

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 8:23 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  geraldlarousse:

  No..... making the most Money we can make was..... no?? Changing equipment to make scored higher is not going to make them any money.

  Agreed it's all about money for WGT in the end.  My suggestion would not have to increase scores but would offer some risk reward if you really wanted to go for it now and then. Had a bad hole in an RG may be a way out with an LONG 3 iron but gonna have to take a risk hitting at 100% type thing. Hitting it at 95% would simply acheive what we can already do with teh existing clubs.  It would also allow WGT to flog anuva noo set irons:)

  At the moment the game just looks at an impasse, unless something happens.  OK some one very much brighter than me may be sitting there saying keep going the way you are as we are spreading like a bad rash.  I guess it boils down to whether WGT and there sponsors care about the top end or, more to the point, can they make money out of that.  May also be they feel it's also better for the low end to have at least some competition seen at the top?

  My suggestion was (glass half full) looking at ways to do be good for WGT (as nuffink gonna 'appen if that's ain't the case), whilst also being good for the player.  Recent upgrades in the Pro Shop (L70s through 80s) I think were generally received well by the customer / community whilst also (must of been) good for WGT to. I hope it's possible, with something like the above from Mainzman etal, to achieve a similar solution for the common good top end equipment wise. 

  Totally agree Jim with everything you just said.

  But.... i mean..come on. Just look how they roll here. To do any of what you said would be a lot harder than fixing a bug.... no?

  See where i'm going?? To still have random winds in single play tourneys??? This long... without change??

  Hmmm.... good luck with all of that!! 

  :-)

• 1,148 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 10:59 AM

  1. Random wind wrong. It pisses people off. What people want to see honesty. if they can't click ding and they suffer one thing. if they click ding and correct yardage then it should go where it should go. 

  2. I say heavy  wind can be completely different from tee and green. So people have to do more calculation

  3. You can't downgrade existing clubs.

  4. Only option i see is distance. Yes we all accepted its not real life golf why not add 50 yard more for TL. :)

  5. I really would like to see number 1 TL should have average of 61.

   

   

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 11:08 AM

  alexk345:

  1. Random wind wrong. It pisses people off. What people want to see honesty. if they can't click ding and they suffer one thing. if they click ding and correct yardage then it should go where it should go. 

  2. I say heavy  wind can be completely different from tee and green. So people have to do more calculation

  5. I really would like to see number 1 TL should have average of 61.

  Alex... did you read my post??

  Again.....TL's averages are based off of their best 500 rounds!! Most TL's averages are fake!!!  Do you understand that?

  How about i make it simple. If i shoot a 100 my average does nothing. My average can only go down.

  And......having different winds in a single play tourney from one player to the next is unfair. Some could reach par 5's and some would not. Can't see that??

  All pipe dreams mate. The best players here will be better than the rest,,, doesn't matter what anyone does.

  :))

   

   

   

• MainzMan 9,593 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 11:51 AM

  geraldlarousse:

  No..... making the most Money we can make was..... no?? Changing equipment to make scores higher is not going to make them any money.

  If we assume, which I think we can, that WGT make most of their money from ball sales then inferior clubs could actually increase income.  If many approach shots are landing short or to the side of the green that's 1 more shot taken off the ball's life. 

  I know downgrading clubs isn't really realistic, we'd all go nuts if they tried that.  It's just a shame they let the best gear be so good.  If the clubs stay the same the only way to make it tougher is the meter but it has to be upfront, not VEM or deliberately making the meter jump.

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Sun, Nov 3 2013 12:04 PM

  MainzMan:

  geraldlarousse:

  I know downgrading clubs isn't really realistic, we'd all go nuts if they tried that.  It's just a shame they let the best gear be so good.  If the clubs stay the same the only way to make it tougher is the meter but it has to be upfront, not VEM or deliberately making the meter jump.

  Yes MainzMan that is the problem.

  I would say because no one that has anything to do with the game plays RL golf.

  If did,,, i don't think we would be having this issue. If did,, i don't think would have random winds in single play game.

  No..... like i said..... out to grab the most cash. I think if changed clubs or downgraded would lose quite a few members...... = cash gone.

  Really think way past trying to control scores. Would not surprise me one bit to see irons better than R11s very soon.

  I think the only people worried about scores are us. Know what i mean??

  I think if they were worried about the players,,,, they would have changed the random winds in single play games long ago.   No???