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L97 Nike VR Mid Iron Shot Walkabout?

• fatdan 3,379 Posts

  Fri, Jan 10 2014 7:10 PM

  I don't have a problem with the lvl 61 nike balls...I mean I do miss the line but when I ding it it is right there...and you keep the extra distance and slower meter.

• skccvb 799 Posts

  Fri, Jan 10 2014 9:58 PM

  Having read this thread a few times- my conclusion is that the constant variable (given ball types are so prevalent) is SPIN. These clubs have the same spin as CG wedges folks. Add a high spin ball- dings are generally awesome (all other things being equal) and misses can be ugly. The "dings going offline" phenom is another matter. Personally I have not seen it- except where high winds are involved. 

  My current conclusion is that:

  a) lower spin balls de-emphasize the variances.

  b) higher spin balls produce superior results only if dinged or hit properly into the windward side

  c) The better the irons, the greater the VEM if not played to perfection- there is always a price for greatness (equipment) - the average fiddler would not get a good note out of a Stradivarius. Same time, an accomplished violinist would still need to learn the instrument to get the best from it.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sat, Jan 11 2014 12:20 AM

  skccvb:

  Having read this thread a few times- my conclusion is that the constant variable (given ball types are so prevalent) is SPIN.

  Then you obviously need to read it a few more times until you read it all properly.  Everyone appreciates a FBS high spin ball missed has potential to go off line, and so no one is complaining about that. Infact it was specifically mentioned (look for it) that NO SPIN is needed to get this dinged if ya like.

  skccvb:

  These clubs have the same spin as CG wedges folks. Add a high spin ball- dings are generally awesome (all other things being equal) and misses can be ugly.

  How did you measure the RPM generated??? Don't see anyone complaining about any wedges. Per above no one is arguing a missed ing FBS high spin everything will not rip you......................

  skccvb:

  the greater the VEM if not played to perfection- there is always a price for greatness (equipment)

  skccvb:

  the average fiddler would not get a good note out of a Stradivarius. Same time, an accomplished violinist would still need to learn the instrument to get the best from it.

  You are doing it, and as you are certainly not (yet anyway) that accomplished blows that analogy apart?

  This is a frikin virtual computer game.  As your distance to the pin is no better than even mine I fail to see how you think you are the yehudi-menuhin of WGT?

  Remember it's also happening with more than the L81 Nike. FYI I earlier played a round and saw none of it.  

  Either I have suddenly (unlikely) rose to some stratospheric height or it just stopped after the clubs came back, having been off the shelves for a time.  Who knows but very good players have seen it with better stats than you (or me)- at least three ball types. All I can do is keep a watching brief.

  skccvb:

  Personally I have not seen it- except where high winds are involved.

  Where did you play in these winds out of interest, and what strength??

  Most in this thread would have assumed some wind was factored in to any thought's anyway I would wager.

  skccvb:

  The "dings going offline" phenom is another matter.

  That's a big part of it yes. We finally agree on something.

   

   

• PaulH0070 1,339 Posts

  Sat, Jan 11 2014 2:02 AM

  I'm still not getting on with these clubs, like someone posted earlier I'm finding the meter is not the same as when I first bought them.

  A little faster and not as smooth near the line, resulting in a lot of missed dings. And missed dings equate to huge misses for me, still losing 20 yards on shots and the ammount off line is embarrasing.

  When they're good they're very good, but that only 25% of the time for me. Just can't get the consistency.

  Is the lower level ball the answer? I'll give it a go, but do you guys really think WGT have 'accidentally' done it this way?

  Hell no, in my opinion using the (for example) 33 cally is making the rest of the game harder. Shorter drives, faster meter and less spin on wedges and a faster putter meter. All this will add up to it being harder to score low surely? Maybe that's the plan.

  Like I say I'll give it a go, but the 71 Nike works so well within the rest of my game I'm not too keen on changing that.

  Just my thoughts, but everything WGT do is deliberate and planned. A better performing iron set vs. the rest of the bag becoming harder to use? That formula isn't for me I'm afraid.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sat, Jan 11 2014 2:26 AM

  PaulH0070:

  Just my thoughts, but everything WGT do is deliberate and planned. A better performing iron set vs. the rest of the bag becoming harder to use? That formula isn't for me I'm afraid.

  Not with this one IMO.  As was said earlier a consumable like a $3 per sleeve less set of balls becoming the main ball of choice- no way WGT want to steer us that way.  They want us stocking up with the expensive reloads often.  Whatever is going on I can't see that's been the design.

   

• oneeyedjohn 9,581 Posts

  Sat, Jan 11 2014 2:39 AM

  Just faintly curious, why after having shot a 27 ( on ur 3rd attempt ) in AJ's CC tourney, would you wanna have another 6 attempts.

  1i ®

• PaulH0070 1,339 Posts

  Sat, Jan 11 2014 2:58 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  PaulH0070:

  Just my thoughts, but everything WGT do is deliberate and planned. A better performing iron set vs. the rest of the bag becoming harder to use? That formula isn't for me I'm afraid.

  Not with this one IMO.  As was said earlier a consumable like a $3 per sleeve less set of balls becoming the main ball of choice- no way WGT want to steer us that way.  They want us stocking up with the expensive reloads often.  Whatever is going on I can't see that's been the design.

   

  That's exactly what I mean Jim. These irons are for elite players, so for them it doesn't matter. They can have the performance of these irons without sacrificing the rest of the set. They don't need to change the ball and won't.

  For the likes of me I have to now make that choice, easier to use irons but with the rest of the bag being harder to use. So I now have to choose between saving a few credits which may affect my scoring ability or keeping my score making set up at the expense of the Nikes playing up every other hole.

  A low score restricting exercise? Probably not, probably just coincedence.

  And if that is a coincedence and WGT notice expensive ball sales dropping expect a behind the scenes tweek to the Nikes coming very soon.

  All my opinion, after all we're just throwing ideas around :)

   

• WoodenHands 526 Posts

  Sat, Jan 11 2014 4:12 AM

  I've no idea what to do , two days ago using the L81 Nike i had 9 straight birds on BpB back 9 RG , avg distance to pin was 3.3 feet , miles above my usual standard , yesterday using the same ball in the same RG i'd surpassed the previous days total distance to pin after 2 holes and i wasn't playing any differently , if there's no consistency then it's just a lottery .

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sat, Jan 11 2014 4:21 AM

  oneeyedjohn:

  Just faintly curious, why after having shot a 27 ( on ur 3rd attempt ) in AJ's CC tourney, would you wanna have another 6 attempts.

  1i ®

  Just banging round using it to map, and seeing outcomes.  Did it on two tracks really RSG (where I first got the WTFs and also then BPB B9).  The latter I use the first 3 holes to do most of my mapping anyway, and may as well complete once started to get the XP as never know:) Behind the scenes I was doing a bit (unusually for me save for new irons /real issues) in practice mode to, but prefer tourney as more XP. I now have 2 sets of irons looking at 2 balls, and can bang round pretty quick comparing...........

  Beth and RSG are two places I will do the odd RG on as well, and so ............Anyway not with the new irons until (glass still half full) I see consistency.

• oneeyedjohn 9,581 Posts

  Sat, Jan 11 2014 4:22 AM

  We forget, we are the most inconsistent animal on this planet.

  Everyday is different.