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5.5 ft power putt from fringe goes 4 inches...

• thunderbird 381 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 10:26 AM

  I second Bolly in this matter.  I have had the same thing on fringes.  Hit 7.75 ft and stayed in the fringe going nowhere.  I repeated the matter three more times to see if it would leave the fringe.  Nope three putts hit exactly the same stayed in the fringe. 

  Playing professionally I have to say that fringes on championship style greens are maybe one to two paces slower and no more.  I have played on US open fringes that were faster than most greens that top tier country clubs have.

• jakestanfill7 949 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 10:38 AM

  We have a third.  Sorry YJ but you're WAYoff base here.  This happens and is indeed a bug that needs to be resolved. When's the last time you had a putt IRL barely on the fringe that doesn't move an inch when struck?

  Ex. Yesterday was on STA #2 barely in fringe with front pin.  Any chip is going to run about 15 feet past the hole.  I chose to putt and run maybe 7-8 feet past.  2 putts in a row that were powered around 12 on the meter didn't move an inch.  If I would have been on the green there I would have only hit about 7 but bumped it up because I know the fringe can be fickle at times.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 10:46 AM

  jakestanfill7:

  We have a third.  Sorry YJ but you're WAYoff base here. 

  WAY off base? Andyson pretty much laid it out and you proved it yourself at a different course. Instead of calling it a bug and having it be f'd up like B says, it sounds like the entire fringe putting process is off and now it's getting exaggerated by the greens Legends have to play. I'm sure I don't see it as often as others because with it being such a pain and inconsistent I opt to flop or chip. I learned that playing on the Open greens. It isn't so bad. (In the OP's example I would have put back spin on my Satin 64 and chipped it about 50%.)  :-)

• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 10:51 AM

  Good for you jim, you're probably thrilled to get it inside 10 ft from the fringe.  Some of us better players enjoy actually having a chance at making it, and chipping or flopping onto a severe slope will simply not work.   We need the ability to slowly roll a ball thru the fringe, just like you could in real life.  As it is now, we do not have the ability to do that,  our options are wiff, or blast it way past the hole.  For a game that strives for realism, that is indeed f'd up.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 11:14 AM

  YankeeJim:

  jakestanfill7:

  We have a third.  Sorry YJ but you're WAYoff base here. 

  WAY off base? Andyson pretty much laid it out and you proved it yourself at a different course. Instead of calling it a bug and having it be f'd up like B says, it sounds like the entire fringe putting process is off and now it's getting exaggerated by the greens Legends have to play. I'm sure I don't see it as often as others because with it being such a pain and inconsistent I opt to flop or chip. I learned that playing on the Open greens. It isn't so bad. (In the OP's example I would have put back spin on my Satin 64 and chipped it about 50%.)  :-)

  A 50-yard satin chips what?  6 yards?  That would have been about a 7.5-8 ft chip, then, which would've gone 10 ft past the hole, seeing as how 4 ft would have been the ideal amount of power for a putt from the green.

  The problem here is that it wasn't a slope that simply couldn't be dealt with.  It was a harsh slope, but with a putt from the green, it wouldn't have been too difficult at all to get the distance almost perfect... maybe +/- one foot from the distance that I would expect it to go... but all of a sudden, if it's 4 inches into the fringe, 10 ft past is looking to be a good shot?   That seems quite unreasonable.  We aren't talking about a shot from the rough, weeds, fescue, or sand here... or from under a beer can that someone placed on top of your ball.  This should be almost as controllable as a putt that is from the green, and yet it all of a sudden becomes a huge problem... an absolute catastrophe where, in this case, you walk away with a 25/75 par/bogey (or a 25/75 bogey/double bogey if you waste a shot like I did) from what should have been a 25/75 birdie/par.

• GoodyChamp 595 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 11:25 AM

  Agree, same happened 2 me a couple of weeks ago at SA 18. Putt from the fringe moving nowhere. Have send an error report including a description. Don't know what happend since, but WGT has 2 be aware of it.

  Had it a few times 2 at OCC during practice/qualifying. Haven't played it since US Open. But WGT defintely has some clearing up 2 do on this 1.

• nickuk 967 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 11:30 AM

  CharlemagneRH:

  Under no circumstances should a putt on the fringe go less distance than a putt on a fairway.

  erm....?? that needs to be revised. its second cut... i remember i used to see quite a few ppl putt/chip it in from the fringe....if u ask me, that aint realistic...learn the shots.

• Spacklero 386 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 11:32 AM

  Yea fringe putting is definately f'd up YJ - Precisely why I never do it. Id flop over even 6 inches of fringe and take my chances.

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 12:40 PM

  CharlemagneRH:

  A 50-yard satin chips what?  6 yards?  That would have been about a 7.5-8 ft chip, then, which would've gone 10 ft past the hole, seeing as how 4 ft would have been the ideal amount of power for a putt from the green.

  Here's a replay of a similar shot on #2 at Oakmont, tournament speed green, from the fringe, behind and above the pin.  20ft and 11 inches down.  If it were on the green, I'd hit it with  5.5 ft of power.

  I used a 64 degree Ping(a 60 yd wedge, says 7 yds on a chip)  chip, hit @50% power.  To inside 3 feet.

  I think you grossly overestimated YJ's distance on his 50% chip shot.  The result won't be a huge problem or an absolute catastrophe.

  I do feel WGT needs to adjust the "tackiness" of the fringe to make it more puttable especially with the new faster green speeds.

  Until they do, go practice those tiny, delicate chip shots as YJ recommends.

• TarheelsRule 5,566 Posts

  Thu, Sep 23 2010 12:48 PM

  This has happened to me on BPB, Oakmont and Kiawah on several holes.  Most recently today on BethPage, can't recall the hole.  It seems to happen fairly often when you are on the fringe with a short putt (inside of 25 feet) and a downhill lie.  I have given up on trying to use the 15 foot range since you always go over the ball, maybe move it an inch or two at most.  The temptation was too much today and I tried to putt it with the normal result, I did manage to chip in the next shot to save par so all wasn't lost.  This has been discussed time and time again so either WGT isn't going to fix it or they can't fix it.