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*** Feedback Needed: New Ready-go Payout Options ***

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Mon, May 19 2014 2:40 PM

  CerinoDevoti:

  DAZZA501:

  Chinajohn:

  Abolish all credit tournaments, gambling and prizes.

  If that happened then i would guess the site would last about 3 months before it shut down. 

   

  I agree with John to some degree. When the gambling is put ahead of the Golf by WGT and the members, it's more a problem than a reason to continue.

  It's the same the world over CD. I'm a member at a local club and we always play for a couple of £'s. Makes it a bit more interesting. I wouldn't say it's a gambling problem. It's only a few £'s just like here it's only a few $'s.

   

• 9,041 Posts

  Mon, May 19 2014 2:44 PM

  alcaucin:

  DAZZA501:

  Leave it the same as it is now.

  Though whatever the feedback you won't.

  ^^

   

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Mon, May 19 2014 2:51 PM

  Just my own thoughts, like the hole in one contest. OK you spend 10 you get within the qualifying circle  and you win 3 0r 4  WTF. I can see winning 3 or 4 plus your original bet of 10. 

  But how can it say your a winner when you still lost credits with a payout of only 3-4?

  That is greed.

• tramilleo 1,909 Posts

  Mon, May 19 2014 3:09 PM

  World Greed Tour

  

• TarheelsRule 5,593 Posts

  Tue, May 20 2014 9:06 AM

  I've made my points about the rake and the payout so I won't duplicate them.

  However I do want to address the gambling side of it.  First since you are playing for credits that can't be redeemed as real money, it technically isn't gambling.  I was against the high end tournaments, thought that they should be limited to at most a 500 credit event so that it doesn't seem like real gambling.

  After a while I came to the conclusion that if you don't want to gamble in these tournaments or are against gambling, it's pretty simple just don't play in them.  Some as complaining about how much the site costs you, play and clubs are free you don't have to have new and costly clubs.

  WGT has to bring in revenue to operate, the amount they charge is based upon what the market will bear.  If you don't buy the high priced items, they will lower the price.  If you don't play the 20% rake tournaments they will change the rake.   It's  a free market and the customers control it.

• tramilleo 1,909 Posts

  Tue, May 20 2014 9:27 AM

  ^^^^ TRUE

  +1

• cdefghi 2,872 Posts

  Tue, May 20 2014 7:38 PM

  Ten pages deep and no real response from the OP commenting on any of the many- many suggestions, or any clear solutions either.  Classic case of it is what it is and no forum in the world's going to change it.

• bhoese 679 Posts

  Tue, May 20 2014 9:21 PM

  TarheelsRule:

  WGT has to bring in revenue to operate, the amount they charge is based upon what the market will bear.  If you don't buy the high priced items, they will lower the price.  If you don't play the 20% rake tournaments they will change the rake.   It's  a free market and the customers control it.

  Re:  The rake - Hopefully, that's exactly what will happen.  Many of the RG regulars have commented on how crowded the tops of the leaderboards have become.  Usually they conclude that there are more  really good players than ever.  But is that true?  

  I think it might be essentially the same set of players (new blood merely replacing those who have moved on), but they're concentrated in fewer RGs due to slower turnover because of a paucity of average field filler.  Furthermore, the subset of top players that only plays enough RGs to recoup equipment costs has to enter more often due to lower margins, exacerbating the problem.   Less rake -->better low-end payouts-->more players-->faster turnover-->diluted leaderboards-->better for everybody.

  Gambling's impact on the game can be found in equipment prices.  I'd love to know the percentage of 500+ credit balls that are bought with gambling profits.  It's probably a significant portion.  It's even possible that the really expensive balls can carry those price tags only because of the artificial demand from the gambling market.  The best players get better for free, which warps the competitive balance.

  Just to be clear, the best players would still be at the top if there were no gambling...but not by the same degree.  That's how it affects the game as a whole.

• burchell123 362 Posts

  Thu, May 22 2014 3:47 PM

  TarheelsRule:

  I've made my points about the rake and the payout so I won't duplicate them.

  However I do want to address the gambling side of it.  First since you are playing for credits that can't be redeemed as real money, it technically isn't gambling.  I was against the high end tournaments, thought that they should be limited to at most a 500 credit event so that it doesn't seem like real gambling.

  After a while I came to the conclusion that if you don't want to gamble in these tournaments or are against gambling, it's pretty simple just don't play in them.  Some as complaining about how much the site costs you, play and clubs are free you don't have to have new and costly clubs.

  WGT has to bring in revenue to operate, the amount they charge is based upon what the market will bear.  If you don't buy the high priced items, they will lower the price.  If you don't play the 20% rake tournaments they will change the rake.   It's  a free market and the customers control it.

  I get your point sir some guys don't want high stakes but if they are there no one's forcing hand to enter them,over x-mas there was a few and they filled daily even the 2k one.So there is a market for them.I seen the high stakes as the top players trying to beat other and juggling the credits between thereselves,I doubt anyone who couldn't afford to play them entered them.you look down the leaderboard and there was some 70+ or even 80+ scores from lower level players who must be paying in and getting nothing back

  At the time there was a 2k 1k i think a 1k ctth two 500k rg's and i'd probably just enter those daily,without the high stakes now the top players are playing 100 in 200 rg's and pushing lower players out of spots in them,without high stakes WGT may of stemmed the amount of the top players winning credits because they don't pay into the system but pushing the lower players to not bother playing in them

  End of the day i've played 1000's of games i'm not a golfer at all,never played.But what keeps me coming back is that the games is different everyday nothing here is perfect and one of the great things is this is probably the only game iv'e played where the customer is always wrong

  If WGT ever gets the game all right ,no meter stutter no shots 10 yards short or over- 5ft putts straight dinged and miss,would i keep playing or move onto another game that's predictable

  ROCKY

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Thu, May 22 2014 3:53 PM

  burchell123:

  top players are playing 100 in 200 rg's and pushing lower players out of spots in them

  Your dead right there Rocky. If there were high stakes RG's then the top players would stay away from the low level 1's giving others a chance.