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Sat, Jun 7 2014 12:48 PM (189 replies)
  • Woodoworkery
    3,498 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 12:40 PM

    I did go to practice mode , and it does work. It is not a line on the meter to show you where to stop the power , but an area that is about 1 to 1.5 cm long. Don't really understand that.

     

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 12:54 PM

    BolloxInBruges:
    And for the record I've never once thought that the magical "VEM" was ever in play on WGT, all in peoples minds...

    That's what I said. We had this convo back then and that's when I learned about it from you.  I had 2 different thoughts working at the same time, got crosseyed and didn't say what I was thinking very good.

  • frappefort
    3,994 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 12:54 PM

    I have notice  the new presentation  for CC  home made tourney    ,,,  very  nice touch WGT. Thank you .

  • JasonNumber100
    2,909 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 12:57 PM

    Mulitplayer bugs not been fixed. Kicked out of a multiplayer, went straight back in, only to be told I had not returned in time.

  • rowsby
    1 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 1:01 PM

    Same here

     

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 1:33 PM

    MBaggese:

    andyson:
    I guess we'll now all be able to see what you've been saying Jim.  Or not.

    For sure it's true Andy...

    I played this week MR open, starts on the F9 at SA..

    Tournament greens 11

    That's not what I was referring to Baggs.  Specifically Jim's statements:

    - Pinehurst qualifying greens speeds are not the same every day

    - PH greens are not true Champ speeds. (I actually have different tournament speed factors for different courses so this is likely true.  Merion's were slower too.)

    - The hybrid speed as Jim called it.  A blend in AS or all players Ts.  It should show 12.5 or 12.6 if true.

     

    And for BinB, I'm still waiting for someone to post a video of a WTF shot they blame on VEM.  The closest we had was Twominusone's shot into BP 9 that mysteriously came up short.  I think 98% of my "WTF was that" shots are on me.  That said, I do think VEM is in play.  But more subtle.  For example: 

    VEM-free we get 10% of our shots at a max deviation and 50% at min deviation.

    When VEM kicks in the distribution IMO changes.

    Bad VEM we get 25% of our shots at max deviation and only 35% at min deviation.

    That's an example of what I mean by subtle.  The distribution (think Bell shaped curve) shifts towards the dark side.  Sure they never change the precision of the clubs.  The circle of precision doesn't change.  But we hit the outer edge more frequently when VEM kicks in.

    I hope that all makes sense.

     

     

     

     

     

  • BolloxInBruges
    1,389 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 1:43 PM

    andyson:

    And for BinB, I'm still waiting for someone to post a video of a WTF shot they blame on VEM.  The closest we had was Twominusone's shot into BP 9 that mysteriously came up short.  I think 98% of my "WTF was that" shots are on me.  That said, I do think VEM is in play.  But more subtle.  For example: 

    VEM-free we get 10% of our shots at a max deviation and 50% at min deviation.

    When VEM kicks in the distribution IMO changes.

    Bad VEM we get 25% of our shots at max deviation and only 35% at min deviation.

    That's an example of what I mean by subtle.  The distribution (think Bell shaped curve) shifts towards the dark side.  Sure they never change the precision of the clubs.  The circle of precision doesn't change.  But we hit the outer edge more frequently when VEM kicks in.

    I hope that all makes sense.

    Makes perfect sense, but I still don't think it is in play.   Anything with variance involved is going to have ebs and flows, thats the nature of it.   Of course there will be rounds when more edge shots happen, and rounds with fewer, I just contend that there is no driving force (VEM) behind the variance.    If you did 100 trials of flipping a coin 100 times the restults of 'heads' might be something like  48, 45, 58, 50, 42, 60, 48, 55, etc, of course there will be patterns to the variance, but no driving force behind it.

    I use the poker analogy at lot on here, but it's the same thing there, if you race 22 against AK offsuit they're both going to win roughly 50% of the time, but yet poker forums are flooded with "it's rigged!" nonsense when people are running on the wrong side of variance there as well.   But like I've said a lot lately, the distribution pattern of shots is pretty damn tight with today's top clubs, making deviations mostly a thing of the past anyway...

    Not to say you're wrong about it, but all the WGT employees on here besides pizza have stated VEM is not in play, and I choose to believe it, right or wrong...

  • spdemon
    1,588 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 2:22 PM

    Why isnt there a option for cabo or whistler on the single player blitz ?

  • GoodyChamp
    595 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 2:56 PM

    PRIESTESS:

    How can you incorporate the new wind scale into the Qualifiers for Open? ...........Surely you can't change the initial wind set  seeing as the Qualifiers are still active?

     

    +1, couldn't agree more

    In fact it is a nice addition 2 the game, very bad timing though.

    same 4 the greenspeeds.

    Cheers, GC

  • TigerLuvsBush
    491 Posts
    Mon, Jun 2 2014 3:54 PM

    PRIESTESS:

    How can you incorporate the new wind scale into the Qualifiers for Open? The ones that have Qualified now have a huge advantage over the ones that are still trying.Surely you can't change the initial wind set  seeing as the Qualifiers are still active?

    Of course they can.. WGT can do whatever they want, just ask them.. And 90% of us will obey.. but not for much longer..

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