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One full year on Tour - This is why I'll never make Legend

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Tue, Jul 8 2014 12:10 AM (33 replies)
  • fatdan
    3,379 Posts
    Sat, Jun 28 2014 5:32 PM

    it's him...he plays in a dress, keeps his sh!t cooler

    ooopppps no it's not, I'll put the name he uses on your wall

  • JFidanza
    1,676 Posts
    Sat, Jun 28 2014 6:01 PM

    ok I see it now, thanks, a lot there to check out and I subscribed

     

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    edit: Just to add, BIGINIGOMONTOYA, if you don't already take notes I would suggest having a way to do it. I use a free & easy program called NotepadTabs, some people use the WGT notepad, or just write them down via another program or paper etc.

    But I generally figure anyone with good clubs, above levels 80 and tour pro should start making notes on every hole and course that presents a challenge. 

  • JMalec
    123 Posts
    Sat, Jun 28 2014 6:13 PM

    Fully realizing you mileage is varying, I'll offer that I made legend in less than a year. Which merely proves it CAN be done , not that anyone specific can.

    That said,  I notice that I have about twice as many ranked rounds, which works out to about twice as many reps. Remembering the adage of real golf that you get out of it what you put in, I might suggest playing a bit more as time allows. While equipment helps, reps help more, real or virtual.

    My 2 cents, for whatever it is worth. Probably not even the 2 cents, but....

    Anyway, and seriously, my one REAL piece of advice is to enjoy the process. If you do that, the rest will happen naturally. Play well!

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Sat, Jun 28 2014 9:04 PM

    JMalec:
    Anyway, and seriously, my one REAL piece of advice is to enjoy the process. If you do that, the rest will happen naturally. Play well!

    Very well said!

    For the OP.....   Great Vid,   well done.

    I've only watched a few mins of it, one day I will watch the whole thing as I've bookmarked the post.

    You can watch this vid you made and learn from it yaself. It's also a good learning tool for everybody trying to play the game.  

    Watching just a couple holes, fast moving dots, you need to aim wider than you did. 

    There is 3 putting views I use on the green.

    1/  Normal View ...  this is not recommended

    2/ Reverse View...  sometimes the dot movement on green move totally different to Normal View

    3/ Chip View ...  If I have trouble reading the dots ( which is most of time for me...lol) I will go into reverse view and change to Chip.   This will give a very good read of what the dots are doing. It only has a range of close to 20ft to pin (not sure) and warning though.... always look at what meter scale you have when you change back to putt, because it goes to the default that was given.

    Good Vid :)

    -Roger

     

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Sat, Jun 28 2014 9:19 PM

    JFidanza:

    ok I see it now, thanks, a lot there to check out and I subscribed

    I Like your counter.  I went to your page a few times to see if it worked, sorry.....lol

  • alosso
    21,069 Posts
    Sat, Jun 28 2014 11:16 PM

    My observations from two minutes of the video:

    Most of your putts miss low - I knew it beforehand because you aim too low.

    You show a difficult putt @Whistler #18 - most of us would miss it (and you aim too low)!

    You hit the flagstick @MER - bad outcome of a brilliant shot! I repeat: You played a brilliant shot!!

    Your flop misses to the right - it needs more movement of the aimer, especially on a left-to-right wind.

    Thus, only a bit of practice and adjustment seems necessary to improve and eventually break 62 - an indispensable requirement to advance.

    Some tipps:

    Decide for one ball and stay with it.
    It helps to correctly judge the shots. I've seen at least three different balls in that short stretch, including the Starter. While the Starter is difficult to play with your elevated equipment, it takes away a lot of their qualities, e.g. spin and precision. Any custom ball is better, and my proposal for you is the lvl 33 Callaway (250 csr), or the Srixon (180?) or Tour-SD (65!) if the credits bother you. If you need a "feel" ball, it's more expensive.
    This will not help you in putting except for the meter speed (balls act generally the same there) but it willl help you to get closer and to the desirable places. (Late in TM, I changed from SD to Cally)

    Use a longer scale for putting.
    Except for tap-ins below 2 ft, I frequently use one scale more than indicated. My putting power stays below 40% most of the time. With Rossa, it's 30 from 2 to 15, 60 from 16 to 33, and so on. Low putting power keeps the meter slow - easier to hit the ding.

    Aim higher.
    I'm not a ding putter like you, but at some putts I'd have aimed twice as much off. It may be too much sometimes, but it has an important advantage: Balls passing the lip above may fall, balls passing below will never fall!

    Putt with decision.
    Many say that firm putts fall easier than soft putts - they are correct. I'm a timid putter here and IRL, but I try to remember this on straight and slightly bended putts. At severe slopes, I still putt easy, trying to keep the ball close and below for a tap-in.

    And: Hit it happy!
    Enjoy your good shots, forget about the garbage!
    Have fun with friends, don't get stuck into those stats!
    Look at the cross pictures - the views are beautiful!

  • MichaelStroke
    2,066 Posts
    Mon, Jun 30 2014 2:16 PM

    If anything, you demonstrated an ability to upload a video to Youtube.  That's a good skill to have.

  • BigInigoMontoya
    208 Posts
    Thu, Jul 3 2014 8:15 PM

    MBaggese:
    I shut'er down after the 3rd putt...I'd aassumed you were trying to putt off-ding, but reality is you are just not playing enough break...re-watch your vid...learn from it...

    Actually, I've never tried to be an off-ding putter, I just seem to miss the ding quite a bit despite the relatively slow meter of the Versa.  The only time I'll intentionally try to miss a ding is if the hole is a REAL bear, like say the 15th at Bethpage or the 13th at Olympic or the 9th at Oakmont or the 6th at Merion, etc.

    MBaggese:
    Plus, you're playing way to much speed...

    Yeah, that kind of goes along with the theme of the video. If I recall correctly, I had very few lip outs here.......either I didn't play enough break and the ball slides under the hole, or I hit the damn thing too hard and it doesn't break until it has already passed the hole. Unfortunately you have to find the exact line and speed, and the margin for error is so thin that its practically immeasurable. That makes the game extremely difficult for a 'hit and hope' n00b like me.

    Jimbog1964:
    Do you have a good understanding of all the speeds??

    Prior to the introduction of the stempmeter, I thought I had everything figured out.  Very fast, the default for my current tier, pretty much stays the same always.  Many of the free weekly or monthly's I enter often play on Tournament greens.  I thought I had those figured out as well, but the new stimp meter seems to have changed things.  The Open qualifier at Pinehurst is really the only time I've ever played on Championship greens, so that was just a lot of blind guessing LoL. I may need to just go out and hammer out some practice rounds on each course to find the magic touch again.

    fatdan:
    on the other hand some great approach shots....

    And this is the other theme of the video.  Because I struggle with aim, wind, power, carry distance, post land rolling and etc, it is quite rare that I can 'throw a dart' at the pin. And because most of my rounds are with the starter ball, it is even rarer still. But despite my struggles with the irons, occasionally I can get one to stop 3 yards away or less from the pin. But even when I do manage a good approach, just as we've seen in the video, I rarely have the skill to take advantage on the green.  Here is another perfect example, taken just a few days ago during the final round of the Criquet Championship......

    And earlier tonight, I shot a bogey free 64 at Oakmont........but I still missed a 6 footer for Bird on 1, and I even missed a 3.5 footer for Bird on, uh, that par 5 on the back 9.........3.5 damn feet and I missed. Unbelievable.  IIRC, all of the putts in that video were inside of 10 feet....many of them were inside of 8 feet, and I think a few were even inside of 6 feet!!!!!!  Although none of them may have been easy, I still considered each of them to be 'makable.'  I'm defining makable as any putt 8 feet or less with more break than the 6th at Cabo (if you miss long) but less break than say, the 9th at Oakmont or the 5th at Merion or the 4th or the 18th at Whistler (god I hate those holes). But right now, because of my struggles on the greens, not even 50% of my 'makable' putts are finding the cup, and I tap in for par rather than flipping the Bird. That is certainly no way to lower your average and advance to the next tier.  

    MainzMan:
    Try allowing as much break as you feel necessary, then add another foot and see how that works.

    And this right here is one of the biggest problems.  No matter how many times I look at the putt in any view available, I NEVER know how far left or right I need to aim in order to compensate for the slope and the break. Unless we are talking about a 'tap in' from inside 3 feet, 99% of the putts that I do make are the result of simply 100% dumb luck and 0% skill. That is something that has to change if I am ever going to improve at this game.

    oneeyedjohn:
    Try playing when ur drunk - it works for me.

    Never much been a fan of the drink myself, but set me up with a Shirley Temple and I'm all over that thing harder than a nerd at a Star Trek convention!!!!!

  • mmyers0
    478 Posts
    Thu, Jul 3 2014 10:19 PM

    I know this method is not for everyone...

    and I know it's not great in a timed shot multiplayer match...

    and I know I'm not a TL and my putting stats back that up (although they're skewed by my poor play for almost my entire first year as a Legend)...

    but I literally take my mouse cursor and trace the line of the putt at the speed that I expect the ball to travel, moving it left or right as fast as the dots are going. If my cursor doesn't end up passing through the hole, I adjust my aim and try again. It usually takes no more than three estimates to get one that looks good.

    My putting has vastly improved since I started using this method. I no longer hit an approach to 10 or 15 feet and think, "Oh, well, looks like another par." My biggest problem now is simply hitting the ding consistently, which you seem to be pretty good at already.

    Oh, and some of those putts in the video are putts that everybody misses their first time. Chateau Whistler is not friendly to newbies at all.

  • ISH47
    1,963 Posts
    Thu, Jul 3 2014 10:27 PM

    Here's what think..  I think they've got the VEM cranked up so high right now that it makes it almost impossible to learn from your (and my own) mistakes. I think probably you've missed a lot of putts because of it and it has your confidence dragging the bottom. How is someone supposed to learn the break on these greens when you aim your putt perfectly with the perfect speed and ding the sumbitch, and you miss by a foot? Then you line the same putt up the next time, adjust your break, and miss by a foot.. I know I'll get ridiculed for saying that but you needed to hear it. Keep your head up.

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