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15th hole at bethpage

• KJEZ 57 Posts

  Mon, Oct 4 2010 1:56 AM

  Please explain to me why the legends tee off 458 from the pin and masters 478? 

• tiffer67 1,764 Posts

  Mon, Oct 4 2010 4:36 AM

  Maybe to cut them a bit of slack, given the 10th and 12th are in excess of 500 yards and the 16th only 10 yards short of that. Not to mention the 13th is over 600 yards.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Mon, Oct 4 2010 5:50 AM

  KJEZ:

  Please explain to me why the legends tee off 458 from the pin and masters 478? 

  To you let masters know, just for one measly hole, what it feels like to be put at half the disadvantage that legends are put at on every hole.

  But, good news.  There is a new tee box in the works for us legends on BPB #15.  We have to tee off from New Jersey.  The hole will play 11,488 yards long, we will have to dodge bullets while we tee off, and there is no 90-second shot clock -- only a HP meter that gets eaten away at by the teenagers that are stabbing us (or, should they fail to be there that day, the stench of NJ, being slightly worse than that of your beloved Houston, will slowly but surely do the trick), and if our HP meter gets too low, we have to forfeit the round and be rushed to the hospital.

  That ought to make masters happy.  WGT is always looking out for the biggest slice of the demographic pie!

• TarheelsRule 5,560 Posts

  Mon, Oct 4 2010 9:32 AM

  Not sure about the tees at #15 but I have noticed that the different angles from the Legend tees sometimes gives you an incorrect distance.  For example #18 at Kiawah shows about 435 from the Legends tees but that is a straight line tee to hole, in reality the hole plays about 480 yards since you have to play well left of the direct line.  This isn't the only case like this either.

• tiffer67 1,764 Posts

  Sat, Oct 23 2010 4:17 AM

  It certainly is a much easier hole from the Legend tees. This is the second time I've done this since being moved to Legend;

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• TuckerYNWA96 154 Posts

  Sun, Oct 24 2010 9:17 AM

  It's more than likely in real life that of the Masters Tees 478 yards they play it as a Par 5.

• DaveHeathcote 90 Posts

  Thu, Oct 28 2010 5:19 PM

  CharlemagneRH:

  To you let masters know, just for one measly hole, what it feels like to be put at half the disadvantage that legends are put at on every hole.

  Hmmmmmmm, 58.99 average and 2nd in current months earnings table, yep, really seems like you legends are at a terrible disadvantage!!!!!!!!!!  I'll get the violins out.

• PGAbound67 565 Posts

  Thu, Oct 28 2010 7:44 PM

  Hate to break it to ya cupcake, but yes, legends ARE at a disadvantage. Most holes are a 2-3 club difference from legend to master, some holes are 5-6 club differences...and in most cases, masters/TM are using the same clubs as legends, so yes, it's a disadvantage. Just because Charlemagne is a very good player who has overcome the difference in the game doesn't mean that the advantage isn't present. I've only been a legend for a short time, I was a very good tour master IMO and was doing well in the ready-go's and I dreaded moving up to legend because I could see the leaderboards, under no circumstances should a very good TM be able to consistently beat legends. I wasn't nearly as good as the players I was beating, was just flat out wrong to be honest. Now that I've made legend, I find I can occasionally compete, but no where near the way I was competing as a TM. That's fine by me, I haven't been playing this game nearly as long as some have, and those players should be rewarded for the time they've put in, not punished because they're better.

  I honestly don't understand how any sane person can say with a straight face that legend's aren't at a disadvantage. Player A has 115yds to the green with a wedge in his hand while Player B has 160yds to the green with 7 iron in his hands...who are you betting on?....thought so

• Dan1538 2 Posts

  Thu, Oct 28 2010 8:30 PM

  I Just wanna say it it crap how I spend so much time playing this game and have made it to Tour Pro Level 33 and now I can't even compete in tourny's cause I am so far back on tees. Wgt should Give credits by points u get by playing rounds or how much time u spend playing tourney's, closest to hole or just playing people who just quit every time. Thats how u should get credits. Not just spending money. Its about the dedication u put into the game. I told so many peeps about this site but not anymore. U can only get to a certain point and then u have to spend money. Thats crap. I stopped playin so much cause how it's not fun anymore. I spend so much time at tourny's and never get anymore credits. Bethpage is the worst for people who work their rank up cause on many of the holes u cant even barley get par. Especially their par 4 502 yard hole. R U KIDDING ME???????? Anyways. Also WGT change ur rules on people Getting to quit when u play other people online. If the quit they should b penolized by either losing credits or losing tier levels. I feel better now. Just make it more fun and more fair. I know they make their money off of people who pay money for clubs and balls. But just advertise more make it free and u will still get ur money. I saw u can pay $500.00 for 50,000 credits????? whoever has done that they are retarted. Just go buy a pretty good set of clubs and still have some money for green fees FOR REAL. I not knocking WGT CAUSE THE GRAPHICS ARE AWSOME AND IT IS FUN BUT CHANGE SOME ***.......

• DaveHeathcote 90 Posts

  Thu, Oct 28 2010 11:56 PM

  PGABound,

  Yes, I do realise that Legends are at a distance disadvantage but then that is the whole point, to act as a handicap system to allow players of differing skill levels to have a competitve game.  Previous comment was really driven by the fact that the most vocal person on this issue is someone who, while having to deal with this yardage disadvantage, does not really seem to be being adversely affected by it.  It's a bit like someone who earns £1million a year complaining that it's unfair that they have to pay 50% tax on some of their earnings when someone on £20k only pays 20%, it's hard to have too much sympathy for them.

  And yes, new and lower-ranked Legends are going to struggle against top TMs but while the step-change tier system exists that is always going to be the case.  Top players in each tier will always be at an advantage and as it's the TMs and Legends shooting low 60s in RGs where this affects winnings it will be here that it is most noticable but the same is true for any tier jump where a tee position change is involved.  Only solution to this is ditch the tier system and introduce a continuous handicap system and then have separate 'handicap' and 'scratch' (non-handicap, best score wins) competition with all off the same tees.  You can then choose which to enter.

  Problem at the moment is that RGs seem to be off respective tier tees (being a lowly Master struggling with the other current bugbear of waiting to level up to get 'master' clubs I haven't entered one yet as low 70s is good for me at the moment so would be throwing credits away).  Maybe tier based RGs are another solution to this issue (I guess this is not a new suggestion)?