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• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 12:29 PM

  YankeeJim:

  Baloney. They control the parameters you play under but they sure as hell don't give 2 hoots what your score is. That's a product of your efforts

  Thats not what i'm saying. Take the chip shot for example, how many shots are out there like that one.

  I understand about random winds but how can you go from 10-12 at 315 degrees in your face ,to 10-12 at 90 degrees at your back, so say the first guy plays and gets the 10-12 315 degree in his face, the #8 guy plays and gets the 90 at his back how is that a level playing feild

   

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 12:35 PM

  YankeeJim:

  They control the parameters you play under

  I was playing a   ready go at Kiawah 60% of holes had between 10 and 15 mph wind but the other 40% had wind speed of 1 to 3 mph.  How does this work??  That shouldn't be right should it?  Since I've played this game I've never ever seen wind vary in speed, its either moderate for full ready go or low.  I missed ding on 2 putts and could have easilly scored below 56.  So do you think WGT messed up and gave me a round that was meant for a different player, and maybe this is why certain players win so much ..LOL   Wind shouldn't differ in a 18 hole round from one kind to another.  

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 12:40 PM

  Woodoworkery:

  say the first guy plays and gets the 10-12 315 degree in his face, the #8 guy plays and gets the 90 at his back how is that a level playing feild

  Who gets the advantage there? If you're playing who can hit the longest I guess the 2nd guy does but if you're playing closest to the pin, I'd say the first guy does-10-12 is a great stopping wind, you would just have to know how to take advantage of it.

  None of this has anything to do with WGT controlling anything. The random number generators determine if you're "lucky" or not in a given round, not WGT. Besides, how different is that from RL conditions that change for the pros from morning to afternoon? That's been discussed here a number of times. 

  You went from WGT controlling aspects to random winds creating supposed advantages and creating an uneven playing field. That's kinda all over the map. How about the luck of the draw? That's pretty much what it boils down to. 

• overtheedge 5,885 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 12:40 PM

  Woodoworkery:

  Who knows a class action may pop up

  I am absolutely confident that WGT has some of the most highly qualified  corporate lawyers "money" can buy. Nobody is going up against WGT any time soon. If a "class action" of ANY KIND was going to be put in motion it would have happened a loooooong time ago. 

  WGT has paragraphs of VERY FINE PRINT. WGT relieves itself of ALL responsibilities in regards to "gambling". Class action,,,,I think NOT.

• Boomerboy44 1,514 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 12:57 PM

  Chris do you actually believe WGT favors certain players?  Maybe it is a case of certain players win all the time because they are the best players.  Wgt cares less who wins and who doesn't.  

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 1:29 PM

  No, but i do think that ready go rounds are manipulated. You're either "allowed" to score well on certain ocasions or you get deviation effected rounds like my $5 merion earlier.  On front i only managed 2 birdies, shots going all over the place, (although Merion is one of my favorite courses) on the back i landed on green on 10 and eagled but next hole my drive with wood seemed to be more like driver and i land in water although i used wood to be safe, so my extra eagle stroke gets taken straight back. Ilast Merion ready go i doubled my money so i was expecting a deviation effected round where i will lose $$.  I'm either allowed a good scoring round or wgt give me a deviation effected round, a good front and bad back 9 or vice versa, but some players seem to avoid these deviation effected rounds and always score low.

  Come on shots going all over the place on front and i score -2, yet on back i play the same as i was on front but land within 1 yard on most holes and i even bogeyed 16 with too casual putting and after that i had 6 yard putt on #17 and also on 18 and both of them dropped on awkward breaks and seemed to be on auto pilot err sorry, auto putt, a bit too much of a coincidence for me and i still scored -7 even with a bogey thrown in.  And all this after a -2 on front PULL THE OTHER ONE LOL, its got bells on.  Who says game is not manipulated :)

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 1:45 PM

  Let me end with this , how long have you guys been playing this game ? I myself going on 3 years , are you saying we are all idiots and can not master this after all that time ? 

  I think not. I know  we play everyday for how many years and we can't master this come on you guys need to take the blinders off.

    Think about it the courses have not changed , but the equipment has we have better balls that go farther , drivers , irons, putters ,and we still can't master this ......really.

  The game is just addicting ,like smoking , drinking, no difference your addicted to it. Why do you think people will pay $40.00 for a pretend putter, $7.50 for a pretend  sleeve of balls your addicted.

  They do and always will control this game, and people will continue to pay ,pay ,pay it's a fact of life

   

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 1:48 PM

  Yes, wgt is just like online poker

• MBaggese 15,378 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 1:58 PM

  chrisironsbones:

  but next hole my drive with wood seemed to be more like driver and i land in water although i used wood to be safe

   

  In a heavy tail wind, the BB 3 wood will easily land in the water if hit full shot.

• 1,417 Posts

  Fri, Jul 4 2014 1:59 PM

  chrisironsbones:

  No, but i do think that ready go rounds are manipulated. 

  As a regular player of RG's, I agree with this.  It does seem to me that when I have a really low round in an RG (which is maybe one out of 10 entries), I can count on getting no breaks the next time I play it... it's usually 2 things... bad wind direction and lipped out putts.  I played Whistler last week and shot in the mid 50's... the next time I was -9 thru 10 and made no birdies the last 8 holes...mainly deviations, where I thought I hit the right shot but somehow was 15 feet from the hole, followed by a near miss with the putter.