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WAKE UP WGT FFS

• Steve2golf 930 Posts

  Thu, Jul 31 2014 8:14 PM

  LOL, as my wall states, if i wanted my balls flying all over the place, I'd come home drunk.

• tramilleo 1,902 Posts

  Thu, Jul 31 2014 9:26 PM

  Andy your posts has shed light, thank you and Pol for his post Congrats Sir i hope you enjoy your trip. I digress, what Andy said makes total sense. And explains a lot to my mind. But the super hacks have got to go wgt. I have played for 900 days in a row and sit 34 rounds of -6 or better from turning into a Tour Legend, and i could not beat some of these "NEW" hacks and amateurs LOL

  Keeping it Classy Always

  Edit: PEOPLE REMEMBER WE STARTED THIS ENDEAVOR NOT FOR FAME OR FORTUNE , WE STARTED THIS GAME BECAUSE : OUR LOVE  OF GOLF.!!!!!!! DONT LET CHEATERS GET YOU DISILLUSIONED, WE DO THIS CAUSE WE LOVE GOLF

  
  

  
  

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Fri, Aug 1 2014 12:58 AM

  Steve2golf:

  What a let down! These efforts drove us to determine in addition to VEM and deviation that something very different was indeed going on, and there was only 1 thing left to confirm the tin foil hat theory's we ended up concluding. I played several peoples highest level accounts and they played mine to determine if the play was in fact, as our notes were determining beyond a shadow of doubt, different for different accounts. It was, and very very much so. 

  Posted by a very level headed and also very competent player who took the trouble to have copious notes.    Disturbing.

  Edit: Not blaming anything other than me for my very bad days, and top players are that good for a reason.  Nonetheless a disturbing read for me, and should be for WGT!

   

• PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Fri, Aug 1 2014 3:20 AM

  Jimbog1964:

   Nonetheless a disturbing read for me, and should be for WGT!

  Or evidence of the Heisenberg principle?

  Not that I  would know, it's just a theory.  ;)

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Fri, Aug 1 2014 3:35 AM

  PaulTon:

  Or evidence of the Heisenberg principle?

  Not that I  would know, it's just a theory.  ;)

  I don't know either, but S2G is not some random 31% 1 putt, blaming that on VEM.  He is a very accomplished player in his own right, not prone to screaming in the forums every time a shot went wrong.  I read his posts his post's with interest that's all.

• PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Fri, Aug 1 2014 4:14 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  I don't know either, but S2G is not some random 31% 1 putt, blaming that on VEM.  He is a very accomplished player in his own right, not prone to screaming in the forums every time a shot went wrong.  I read his posts his post's with interest that's all.

  Yeah, I know that Jim, I respect his opinions also. But I do question how objective such a small study could be.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Fri, Aug 1 2014 5:09 AM

  PaulTon:

  Yeah, I know that Jim, I respect his opinions also. But I do question how objective such a small study could be.

  Perfectly correct to question IMO.  No offense to Steve, but one paragraph don't make a solid case in any courtroom.  However, because it's Steve it does hold some weight for interest to me at least.

  I usually stay well clear of VEM talk.  99% of the time it's from players with stats that say it would only possibly be helping if it existed in some weird way for them..I have read the patents etc just demonstrating that there is much nonsense associated with it, and it gets blamed for all sorts when poor player skill is the only issue obviously.  

  For me I know that overridingly most of my poor rounds / days are down to me.  I will say that R2 of the Transamerica had me very confused though.  I don't restart / play multiply times like some do and I was happy with my 57 from R1 at Oly anyway.  R2 I just wanted to see how I could do, and unusually wrote down my pre-shot routine knowing I can get sidetracked, and make dumb errors multitasking etc.  I sat down in a quiet time, notes to hand.  F9 was an only just OK 30, but was thinking a sub 60 still there.  #10 and 11 went OK then suddenly (still concentrating and double checking everything) holes 12 through 15  I was constantly way short on every approach, and like WTF WTF WTF.  Last 3 holes saved some blushes and finished with a 62.  Worst I have seen anything and was it me or the game.  I am not usually that far off, and for several holes all in a row at a place I can shoot OK at..........No real reason to apply the VEM (or whatever) to me as I was not competing for any top spot, but I was hack city approach shot wise needing wedges to save par for 4 holes in a row.

  Assuming Steve is 100% correct (just for this) I don't believe the top of the leaderboards would change too much, but it would not be a good thing either.  Like I said because it was Steve wrote it I found it disturbing, but fully accept you point to.  I am sure Steve would accept we only have his one paragraph to go on, and so must keep open minds.

• ShadyShank 629 Posts

  Sat, Aug 2 2014 8:17 PM

  Jimbog1964:

  99% of the time it's from players with stats that say it would only possibly be helping if it existed in some weird way for them..I have read the patents etc just demonstrating that there is much nonsense associated with it, and it gets blamed for all sorts when poor player skill is the only issue obviously.  

  Jim, I agree totally with this statement, but what really bothers me is the times I have mentioned those letters, I've been called a shitty player who wouldn't know if I hit a good putt or bad one, don't know how my clubs perform and with what balls, etc. That pisses me off, because a person's scores do not necessarily a person's ability tell.

  I never knew about the effects of average saturation here when I started, and I've played 80-90% ranked rounds my whole time here. I know now this has made it harder for me to move up. That said, with over 600 ranked rounds under my belt, a 62.68 avg, a putting average the last 2 months of around 1.6, GIR 76%, Driving Acc. 76%, the next person who says I don't when its my fault or not when i miss a putt is a person who will prove they're an idiot.

  And believe me, I know for certain on 85% of the putts I miss, exactly why they did not drop.

• spdemon 1,588 Posts

  Sat, Aug 2 2014 8:35 PM

  ShadyShank:

  That said, with over 600 ranked rounds under my belt, a 62.68 avg, a putting average the last 2 months of around 1.6, GIR 76%, Driving Acc. 76%, the next person who says I don't when its my fault or not when i miss a putt is a person who will prove they're an idiot

  sorry to say shady but 600 rounds is nothing cause for the simple fact every tier has different speeds and breaks 

  EDIT and different courses all putt different also 

  i got over 150 rounds in on these champ greens and still suck lmao (Not counting before i was tour legend playing on them with a tour legend )

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Aug 2 2014 8:35 PM

  ShadyShank:

  but what really bothers me is the times I have mentioned those letters, I've been called a shitty player who wouldn't know if I hit a good putt or bad one, don't know how my clubs perform and with what balls, etc.

  That's a pretty poor paraphrase of how that went down. You burst on the scene with a totally skewed interpretation of what VEM is and people corrected you. You just took it personally.

  ShadyShank:

  a person's scores do not necessarily a person's ability tell.

  Then what does?