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Wed, Oct 12 2011 12:18 PM (128 replies)
  • borntobesting
    9,709 Posts
    Mon, Oct 18 2010 10:19 AM

    jbenny11:

    Zag, lol I'm sure you posted that with your tongue firmly planted in your cheek. 75% of all par fours from the master tees ARE driver/ wedge unless serious operator error occurs. JB

    JB no it is not 75%.Sure there are many holes that are driver/wedge from the master tees but  there are many more  that are not. Take BPB. # 2 and # 6 are Driver/wedge and only # 18 on the back unless you get a huge tail wind then # 11 might be. And # 1 might be with a huge tail wind and the front  pin placement. That's 4 or 5 driver/wedge holes far from 75%.

    Kia has many more but still far from 75%.  St.Andrews is the only course that comes close to 75%. And with a huge tail wind even # 17 can be a driver/wedge.Haven't played Oakmont enough to remember but don't think it is 75% either.

  • jbenny11
    863 Posts
    Mon, Oct 18 2010 10:58 AM

    Ok, sure Bethpage is a monster no matter. Kia. Is. from master tees- #1, #3, #6 (w/any non- hurting wind) 3/5 Back #10 #13 #15 Okay that's 60% sorry was just making a point. Number of same holes from back tees =  0% Hell, I don't really want the wedge or under on every hole, but the occasional 7 or 8 iron would be great. JB

  • zagraniczniak
    1,984 Posts
    Mon, Oct 18 2010 11:59 AM

    Remember that the Tour Masters got our tee boxes pushed back, too, not as far as the Legends.

    But no, I am not complaining about any unreachable greens.

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Mon, Oct 18 2010 12:12 PM

    zagraniczniak:

    Remember that the Tour Masters got our tee boxes pushed back, too, not as far as the Legends.

    But no, I am not complaining about any unreachable greens.

    It's my understanding that TM's are using the master tee boxes, but they have slightly faster greens than masters.

  • mohuyu
    891 Posts
    Mon, Oct 18 2010 1:56 PM

    jbenny11:
    Okay that's 60% sorry was just making a point. Number of same holes from back tees =  0% Hell, I don't really want the wedge or under on every hole, but the occasional 7 or 8 iron would be great. JB

    You assume that all M/TMs have the same equipment that you do. But many of us do not because of this level system. I have no advantage over you from the tees and I am not even in the same planet as you in skill. So there are propably people worse off than legends.

  • KingOfTheCourse
    419 Posts
    Mon, Oct 18 2010 3:19 PM

    I just reached the "Legend Teir" as I'm trying to learn the courses again, i'm seeing everyone's point.  I understand WGT wants to challenge the best players on this site but 7400 yards is 300 yards longer than Pebble Beach was for this years US Open.  I think WGT needs to give us a slightly longer driver for only Legends.  Maybe 285-295, that would even up the playing feild IMO.

  • jbenny11
    863 Posts
    Mon, Oct 18 2010 5:10 PM

    That's a whole different topic Mo, restricting people from buying virtual golf clubs is quite simply horrible business. I'm not talking about you guys who got caught up in WGT master plan. Whatever that might be. There is not ONE reason for even trying to become a legend at this point imo. Well, unless you truly want to compete with the very best players on a level playing field. I don't know of any tee box changes for TM Zag, just played a TM all the numbers look the same to me. JB

  • zagraniczniak
    1,984 Posts
    Mon, Oct 18 2010 9:58 PM

    jbenny11:
    I don't know of any tee box changes for TM

    You may be right. That was my impression but I don't remember the exact numbers before and can't really reconstruct the previous playing conditions. In fact, the exact yardage varies from event to event, for example a difference of 40 yards or so on the same holes at St. Andrews from one tourney to the next.

  • DaveHeathcote
    90 Posts
    Tue, Oct 19 2010 6:14 AM

    As I have said previously in this post, it seems to me that people are complaining about one of the very intents of the tier system i.e. to make it more difficult for the better players as a simple handicap system for cross-tier competition.  The problem is the step changes mean top TMs will always benefit over low Legends, and similarly for all other tier steps.  If Legends are given a 300yd driver you will probably then get the TMs complaining that the Legends now have a unfair advantage.

    Only way to avoid the problem is not to allow cross-tier competition, therefore you only compete against people playing under the same conditions and the best player will then win.

    Having said that, just checked 10 of the latest RGs and it's Legends 7, TMs 3 - so it can't be that unfair off the Legend tees with the current drivers now, can it!!!!!

  • jakestanfill7
    949 Posts
    Tue, Oct 19 2010 7:06 AM

    I for one don't think we Legends need a new driver.  I do have a problem with lower Tiers (i.e. Tour Masters and Masters) having the same equipment as me while playing a much shorter course though.

    The new ball was an attempt to meet somewhere in the middle but it's a total joke.  Have played through about 40 of the legend GISD2 while comparing distances to Legends using the same equipment and there is absolutely NO difference in distance for these balls.

    So here's my suggestions.

    1. A new ball that actually gives some distance benefit coupled with MORE SPIN.  If we could actually keep a 3 iron from rolling out 25 yards on tourney greens WGT would hear a lot less complaining.  I know I can do it in real life and I'm only a 9 handicap so why can't I stop a 3 iron in WGT land where I'm supposed to be one of the best.  Case in point, played a tourney last week in real life with greens rolling around 13 the pro said.  I hit a 3 iron from 235 with a 20 mph tail (est.) and it checked up 12 feet from pitch mark.  Green was slightly uphill from fairway and level.  Also made the eagle, YIPPEE
    2. Give Legends the ability to hit driver off the deck so we can reach holes in regulation, like carrying the fescue on STA 15, or reaching the greens on STA 17, BPB 7, or BPB 12 with a headwind.  Again as a 9 hdcp IRL I can hit driver from fairway quite proficiently so why not here.  The capabilities are there like in Bali Hai CTTH but I also found a spot on STA the other day where you can hit driver off the deck and it flies like it is supposed to.  After a meter freeze on STA #10 my ball flew 93 on left side of the fairway.  I decided what the heck gonna give it a try because there was no way to reach with 3wood.  The ball took and flew 260 yards in the air.  Come on WGT, flip the switch!
    3. Ability to drop an iron from the currently required set.  Dropping 3iron for hybrid would be very beneficial.  Legends have to carry a 3wood on most courses like reaching BPB#2 or STA #15 but would have to drop a crucial wedge in order to carry a hybrid.  I know this has been addressed repeatedly and I don't mind if it was available for all tiers but this needs to move up the priority list.
    4. Ability to hit a 3wood from 20-25% rough without having to punch it.  Again this is a simple shot IRL so why can't Legends of the virtual golf world do it?  Many times the ball will actually fly farther from a fluffy lie in light rough than it does from the fairway.

    I know this is virtual golf but it purports itself as the most realistic golf game available.  The above suggestions are all very REALISTIC for accomplished players on the real turf so please WGT, take a few simple steps to make this game as realistic as possible.

    Just my 2 cents.  Over and out.

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