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  • ShadyShank
    629 Posts
    Fri, Sep 12 2014 12:22 PM

    siggipj76:
    Listen to the great players or blame it on something else ! 

    I'm not so sure there is much bitching going on here. It seems to me more like a search for when, why and where VEM may affect play. And, doubtedly, will we ever know the true answer. 

    It's a fact that VEM is part of the game, but the hardest thing, I believe now, is when it does. But, my belief is that it affects a player's game on the green more than anywhere else.

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Fri, Sep 12 2014 12:30 PM

    ShadyShank:
    But, my belief is that it affects a player's game on the green more than anywhere else.

    My belief is that the opposite is true. No offense, just what I see.

     

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Fri, Sep 12 2014 3:16 PM

    Jimbog1964:
    I prefer

    Jimbog1964:
    bush

    Thudman69; leaving aside Jimbog's ability to take a few words out of a sentence and change the meaning to suit him.  From what I've read it seems unlikely you are suffering from VEM consistently.  Aside from anything else it sounds like it's negative impact is when you are scoring very well.

    I would not necessarily worry about the last part of " You have a 1.65 putts per hole average, and 14 ft to the pin, which is terrible", either though.  These stats are similar to mine (1.56 and 15 ft) and I don't think my approaches and putts are "terrible" , perhaps not up to others standards and improvement would be nice but most players would say that.  I don't think these refresh each tier, 'though i'm not sure, if they don't a large part of the reason for them may be historic.

    Often peoples ave distance to the pin and pph are quoted to show them as a bad player but surely it depends on, among many factors, what courses/conditions you are playing most.  Others with better averages may repeatedly play a nice, no wind, monthly 9 hole tournament , or a cc tournament designed specifically to drop averages.

    There could be many factors to your scores increasing; when did you become legend? When did wgt move the pins at KI and Merion (and make putting much harder, without vem)? Computer, mouse, concentration, confidence, time to play.......... I'm not suggesting any of these just listing some vague possibilities.

    I don't mean to sound like I'm arguing with everything AgentBrown says, I accept most of it (the reason I don't say agree is I have no experience of vem that I can pinpoint, I always think it's my fault). It is also obviously true that he has more experience and understanding of, and much more skill at, the game than me.  His take on vem sounds the most sensible in this thread. I just don't think he has a better understanding than another player of that players stats, nor is there any need to use their stats as a stick to beat them with.

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Fri, Sep 12 2014 3:18 PM

    DodgyPutter:
    Thudman69; leaving aside Jimbog's ability to take a few words out of a sentence and change the meaning to suit him.

    So what meaning got twisted that time???

    And for some one so keenly against not lifting anything other than whole sentences / paragraphs you are remarkably adept the other way.  I don't mind as am very capable of seeing where it got lifted from same as most are, just amazed at you doing it when so very anti any one else doing it.  Shame you do not apply the same nit picking to your own responses. 

    DodgyPutter:
    I just don't think he has a better understanding than another player of that players stats, nor is there any need to use their stats as a stick to beat them with.

    I am sure he would agree.  I often say only the actual person understands their stats that well, but in this instance, on balance with the score history in mind my opinion is the VEM can be ruled out, as any overall causation, to ongoing poor scores - same as usual.

    No one is beating any one over any head, just giving opinions using information at hand.

    And to pre-empt you VEM affect can only ever be about opinions.  I had taking that as a gimme, just in case you have some usual diversion going off the main topic.

  • MrSCicero
    154 Posts
    Fri, Sep 12 2014 6:09 PM

    ShadyShank:

    siggipj76:
    Listen to the great players or blame it on something else ! 

    I'm not so sure there is much bitching going on here. It seems to me more like a search for when, why and where VEM may affect play. And, doubtedly, will we ever know the true answer. 

    It's a fact that VEM is part of the game, but the hardest thing, I believe now, is when it does. But, my belief is that it affects a player's game on the green more than anywhere else.

    By the way I don't know why they call it VEM, It should be called VMM, witch stands for virtual Meter manipulation.

     

  • Dougie4042
    4,410 Posts
    Sat, Sep 13 2014 5:12 AM

    SPINO1:

    Dinged 3iron 1/4 bs....= VEM...... oh well move on,happens to most players every day.

     

    http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=925a6d7b-6887-4a09-97ad-a3a4013d8944

    No VEM here.  Use full backspin every time you gotta carry water like that.  No way I would chance anything else from where you were on the fairway.  And you should know this hole plays longer than it appears.  Come on, now!  :-)

    Cheers from across the pond!  

    Oh wait, you might hit it into that pond as well.  J/k.

  • spdemon
    1,588 Posts
    Sat, Sep 13 2014 8:57 AM

    Dougie4042:

    SPINO1:

    Dinged 3iron 1/4 bs....= VEM...... oh well move on,happens to most players every day.

     

    http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=925a6d7b-6887-4a09-97ad-a3a4013d8944

    No VEM here.  Use full backspin every time you gotta carry water like that.  No way I would chance anything else from where you were on the fairway.  And you should know this hole plays longer than it appears.  Come on, now!  :-)

    Cheers from across the pond!  

    Oh wait, you might hit it into that pond as well.  J/k.

    I think it should have cleared (sorry doug) but even with the callies i use it would have 

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Sat, Sep 13 2014 9:20 AM

    spdemon:
    I think it should have cleared (sorry doug) but even with the callies i use it would have 

    I think so too that one.  220 yards to the edge with a slight tail wind.  Either a WTF or a mouse scroll wheel changed it to a 4 iron.

    WTF shots will happen, but if I had to put money on that one I would go for the mouse wheel accidentally causing that by changing the 3 iron to a 4 iron. Happens more than any huge WTF.

  • spdemon
    1,588 Posts
    Sat, Sep 13 2014 9:25 AM

    Jimbog1964:

    spdemon:
    I think it should have cleared (sorry doug) but even with the callies i use it would have 

    I think so too that one.  220 yards to the edge with a slight tail wind.  Either a WTF or a mouse scroll wheel changed it to a 4 iron.

    WTF shots will happen, but if I had to put money on that one I would go for the mouse wheel accidentally causing that by changing the 3 iron to a 4 iron. Happens more than any huge WTF.

    +1 

     

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Sat, Sep 13 2014 10:46 AM

    Jimbog1964:
    So what meaning got twisted that time???

     Thudman69:
    obviously its me

    Finally got to something I agree with you on.

    Just an example as it's off topic.  I reckon you know irony a bit better than you pretend to.

    Jimbog1964:
    And for some one so keenly against not lifting anything other than whole sentences / paragraphs you are remarkably adept the other way.
     

    I think I know what you mean, though I'm a bit worried about the last part of that sentence. As I've said to you before; I was doing it to make the point, which it did apparently.

    As to the rest I'd just be re-hashing if I responded. 

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