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CTTH 30 Yards on 9 Holes = Impossible without...

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 10:53 AM

  AvatarLee:

  CharlemagneRH:

  It is pretty ridiculous that you and a few others are trying to lecture not only the #10 player of the game, but also WGT.  Two of the best sources in the game when it comes to knowing who is and is not cheating, seeing as we both have a very good grasp on what is and is not possible.

   

  Okay, if you really want to play that game, fine.  You are arguing with a once #2, #1, #3 hell pick any top position you want... player in this game.... Who has been here from the beginning, knows a lot more of the personalities and player capabilities than you do.  And I know for a fact that there are a handful of players on here that can replicate those results if they had the time and determination to do so.  Damn... I'd even do it myself just to prove you wrong if I had the time.  Would you be calling me a cheater too?  Be careful, many have been down that road before you.  Let me just end by saying that you do not have all the facts in this matter, and you are just painting yourself more of a fool with every subsequent post on this topic.

  Yeah, you could fake it if you only posted only 1 out of every 25 rounds.  Any decent player could if he only posted his exceptional rounds.  We know that that is not the case here.  He posted almost every single round that he shot.

• AvatarLee 1,644 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:04 AM

  CharlemagneRH:

  Yeah, you could fake it if you only posted only 1 out of every 25 rounds.  Any decent player could if he only posted his exceptional rounds.  We know that that is not the case here. 

  I'm talking same amout of good scores in the same time period.  It is not impossible.  Period. 

  CharlemagneRH:

  He posted almost every single round that he shot.

  No.  I can guarantee you he didn't.  The time calculation that you are going on is very consevative.  Back when I had nothing else to do, I was playing this game easily 8-10 hours a day.  That's how I got as good as I did.  Considering that it really should only take about 5-7 min for a top level player to complete a CTTH... that's roughly 100 FULL attempts in one day.  And that's not counting the time savings of bailing on some of those rounds early because of a meter glitch or deviation.  One could easily start the same CTTH 300+ times in a day. 

• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:07 AM

  CharlemagneRH:

  BolloxInBruges:

  Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.   Not all of us need a calculator, some of us hit shots within 10 seconds.  The first week of the KLM I'm sure I restarted in excess of 300 times in a single day,  and of those posted maybe 20 scores.    CTTP is all about restarting, its trying to link together 9 great holes,  1 bad hole=quit.

  Like I said, WGT knows whether or not he quit 50 times for every round that he completed. 

  Fortunately for us, we do too.  Seeing as how the number of rounds he posted in 48 hours would have taken 16 hours to shoot, he couldn't have quit out of as many rounds as he completed.  He shot sub-60 CTTH's over and over and over again without hardly ever quitting.  It's right there for everyone to see.

  And I know full well that you don't hit shots in 10 seconds, seeing as how, in a thread about quitting, you said that you quit out of some multiplayer games because you don't get as much time as you'd like (this was back when there was only the 90-second timer.)  Neither you nor I shoot our shots in 10 seconds, and it is impossible to play with perfect precision when you are just guessing at the distance.

   

  ??  You either massively took something out of context, or are thinking of someone else.  I prefer my multiplayer games to be 30 second timer if it's just a casual multiplayer game,  hell,  i'd rather have a 15 second timer to really make it interesting.    In cttp,  I know what club/power/spin I will hit within 1 second of glancing at the wind.    take 1 second to zoom, 2 second to aim, 2 second for spin, 1 second to change clubs, and 3-4 seconds to swing, and it's onto the next hole.  Of course if I have a great round going I may spend 10 seconds aiming on the last few holes.

  Having said that, there are times that I also play very slowly, (major tourneys, RC, etc) usually putting.  But obviously don't have that issue in CTTP, which is what we are discussing.

   

  edit - why am I getting into an argument w/ this guy..../back to ignoring the #10 player on the site

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:28 AM

  AvatarLee:

  No.  I can guarantee you he didn't.  The time calculation that you are going on is very consevative.  Back when I had nothing else to do, I was playing this game easily 8-10 hours a day.  That's how I got as good as I did.  Considering that it really should only take about 5-7 min for a top level player to complete a CTTH... that's roughly 100 FULL attempts in one day.  And that's not counting the time savings of bailing on some of those rounds early because of a meter glitch or deviation.  One could easily start the same CTTH 300+ times in a day.

  Nine 18-hole rounds, which take an hour each.

  We'll say he only slept once, for 8 hours, which would be pretty extreme.

  Out of the remaining time, he has to eat, shower, take breaks, etc.  We'll say he can only play for 50% of the remainder.

  .5 (48-9-8) = 15.5 hours

  He posted 43 CTTH's, which take ~10 minutes each.  That's 7.16 hours.

  At a maximum, then, he had 8.33 hours spent on aborted rounds, which is roughly the same as how long it would've taken him to do his completed rounds.  If we say that aborted rounds take 1/3rd as long as completed rounds, that means he quit 3 times as many rounds as he completed.

  This is a best-case scenario for those who defend him.

  Can a player get scores like that, even if they quit 75% of their rounds?  No.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:32 AM

  BolloxInBruges:

  ??  You either massively took something out of context, or are thinking of someone else.  I prefer my multiplayer games to be 30 second timer if it's just a casual multiplayer game,  hell,  i'd rather have a 15 second timer to really make it interesting.

  If it means I will shoot slightly worse for the sake of others enjoyment I will hit most all shots within 15-20 seconds.

  http://www.wgt.com/forums/t/19311.aspx?PageIndex=3

  BolloxInBruges:

  In cttp,  I know what club/power/spin I will hit within 1 second of glancing at the wind.    take 1 second to zoom, 2 second to aim, 2 second for spin, 1 second to change clubs, and 3-4 seconds to swing, and it's onto the next hole.

  I don't know who you think you're kidding.  That dog is not of the hunting variety.

• ncviz 527 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:36 AM

  Steal a line from Seinfeld... "It's like I'm talking to my Aunt Sylvia here."

• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:37 AM

  Dude, I don't have every single shot memorized in stroke play, so yes it takes me longer.   I DO have every single shot memorized for a 9 hole cttp course.  Wind is the only non-constant.  And yes, after HUNDREDS of restarts you have every possible wind direction/power combo memorized.

• AvatarLee 1,644 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:50 AM

  Those are some pretty slow standards dude... remind me never to play with you in a group... you'd frustrate the hell out of me...

  7min max for full CTTH

  20 min max 9 hole single player

  40 min max 18 hole single player.

  Try those numbers.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:57 AM

  BolloxInBruges:

  Dude, I don't have every single shot memorized in stroke play, so yes it takes me longer.   I DO have every single shot memorized for a 9 hole cttp course.  Wind is the only non-constant.  And yes, after HUNDREDS of restarts you have every possible wind direction/power combo memorized.

  On KIA 10, I hit the ball +2.5 yards.
  On KIA 11, I hit the ball +5 yards.
  On KIA 12, I hit the ball -4 yards.
  On KIA 13, I hit the ball -2 yards.
  KIA 14, -3 yards.
  KIA 15, +3 yards.
  KIA 16, +5 yards.
  KIA 17, -2.5 yards.
  KIA 18, -4 yards.

  All the shots memorized.  On top of that, I know the exact yardage of my approach before it even loads up, and I have a rough idea what the wind is going to be.  I can take a stroke play approach faster than I can take a CTTH shot because of this headstart, and so can you because you no doubt have all of this memorized as well.

  Not buying the "I take CTTH shots faster than stroke play shots" line.

• pricehcs 288 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 11:58 AM

  Lee, as an intentional miss putter, I'll go you even better than that for our beloved RG tourneys as a single player

  9 holes in 12-13 minutes

  18 holes in 25-27 minutes

  As B said, I know the shots, just have to check the wind, adjust, and fire away.  Yes I love to play fast, yes, I am also driven crazy by slow players

  Edit:  Don't be so stubborn - are we all conspiring to lie to you?  I don't know the player of this thread's original topic, but I can absolutely vouch for what you've been reading in the last several posts.