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Question #1 for WGT: RE: Skill-based Game Classification.

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Mon, Oct 25 2010 5:31 AM (14 replies)
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  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Thu, Oct 21 2010 8:28 AM

    How is it that WGT can possibly be classified as a skill-based game if pretty solid players like jbenny, Ivories, GoldCard etc. will lose more often than not to inferior Tour Masters such as nump, buylow, or losersss due to the recently implemented handicap system?

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Sat, Oct 23 2010 10:34 PM

    Anybody know the answer?  :p

  • oldskooler
    21 Posts
    Sun, Oct 24 2010 2:59 AM

    Disregard the handicap system then maybe it's a skill based game? Ignoring the handicap system however you could argue the game is more mathematical than skill based...perhaps.

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Sun, Oct 24 2010 3:01 AM

    oldskooler:
    Disregard the handicap system then maybe it's a skill based game? Ignoring the handicap system however you could argue the game is more mathematical than skill based...perhaps.

    Even if you assume that the bit about Mathematics is true, being able to do Mathematics is a skill.

    Being able to cash in because players that are slightly better than you face harsh penalties is not a skill.  The handicap system turned a skill-based system into a ???-based system, and whatever "???" is, it isn't skill, as proven by the examples of inferior players who are able to beat superior players on a consistent basis.

  • GoldCard
    298 Posts
    Sun, Oct 24 2010 3:27 AM

    CharlemagneRH:

    oldskooler:
    Disregard the handicap system then maybe it's a skill based game? Ignoring the handicap system however you could argue the game is more mathematical than skill based...perhaps.

    Even if you assume that the bit about Mathematics is true, being able to do Mathematics is a skill.

    Being able to cash in because players that are slightly better than you face harsh penalties is not a skill.  The handicap system turned a skill-based system into a ???-based system, and whatever "???" is, it isn't skill, as proven by the examples of inferior players who are able to beat superior players on a consistent basis.

    The best mathematician on the planet would be completely lost hitting a ball at wgt unless he also had a 100% reliable method of knowing exactly where he was going to click the meter!

  • PRIESTESS
    10,728 Posts
    Sun, Oct 24 2010 3:54 AM

    A Handicap system will never be FAIR,No matter how fool proof it is,sooner or later you will run into someone well handicapped,Whether its a Tour Master .Master,or Pro,But that's what you must expect when entering a handicapped based competition,I guess this is WGTs way of combating the way the top players were monopolizing all Ready Gos before.Personally i believe they could have implemented something better,Give Legends V/F greens and scrap Tourney greens in ranked games,Then it will be fair,:)

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Sun, Oct 24 2010 5:24 AM

    GoldCard:
    The best mathematician on the planet would be completely lost hitting a ball at wgt unless he also had a 100% reliable method of knowing exactly where he was going to click the meter!

    So long as you can get it going anywhere close to the right direction, distance control is 75% of the game.  A player will never do well hitting the ball 10% too hard or too soft, but a missed aim click can still yield a good result.  I missed an aim click on a ~15-ft putt last night by about a half-inch, but much to my surprise, it went in the hole.  (Another example:  I just played KIA 8.  I missed the ding on my drive by about 1/8-1/4 of an inch, but it still got within 2 yards.  I dinged the putt, which was a pretty easy putt, but it missed because I read it wrong... I aimed just off the edge of the cup, but apparently there was no break at all.)

    Armed with the ability to put in the correct distance and decent green reading, almost anyone with V2s or G10s can become a 64-68 average player, no matter how bad their aim clicks are (within reason.)  OTOH, someone that can't control their distance worth a damn, but can get 75% dings, has no chance whatsoever of getting below a 70 average.  No amount of dings can turn a bad player into a good player.

  • jbenny11
    863 Posts
    Sun, Oct 24 2010 8:08 AM

    Charles, I have a 31-22 record against Tour Masters, I like them just fine. Please keep my name out of your mouth. You are correct in pointing out the obvious disadvantage Legends are facing against shorter tee box. I have to play my A game to even stand a chance. JB

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Sun, Oct 24 2010 8:26 AM

    jbenny11:
    Charles, I have a 31-22 record against Tour Masters, I like them just fine. Please keep my name out of your mouth. You are correct in pointing out the obvious disadvantage Legends are facing against shorter tee box. I have to play my A game to even stand a chance. JB

    My mistake, but no need for the sass.  The point is still valid, even if the exact details in my examples aren't 100% correct.

  • jbenny11
    863 Posts
    Sun, Oct 24 2010 8:45 AM

    All good Charle, still don't understand how  WGT can even think having TM being able to shoot lower scores than Legends is a GOOD thing????????????

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