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Question #1 for WGT: RE: Skill-based Game Classification.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Sun, Oct 24 2010 8:47 AM

  jbenny11:

  still don't understand how  WGT can even think having TM being able to shoot lower scores than Legends is a GOOD thing????????????

  Exactly... the fact that a good TM can beat a bottom-50% legend more times than not is what I think makes this no longer a skill-based game.

• GoldCard 298 Posts

  Sun, Oct 24 2010 9:56 AM

  CharlemagneRH:

  GoldCard:

  The best mathematician on the planet would be completely lost hitting a ball at wgt unless he also had a 100% reliable method of knowing exactly where he was going to click the meter!

  So long as you can get it going anywhere close to the right direction, distance control is 75% of the game.  A player will never do well hitting the ball 10% too hard or too soft, but a missed aim click can still yield a good result.  I missed an aim click on a ~15-ft putt last night by about a half-inch, but much to my surprise, it went in the hole.  (Another example:  I just played KIA 8.  I missed the ding on my drive by about 1/8-1/4 of an inch, but it still got within 2 yards.  I dinged the putt, which was a pretty easy putt, but it missed because I read it wrong... I aimed just off the edge of the cup, but apparently there was no break at all.)

  Armed with the ability to put in the correct distance and decent green reading, almost anyone with V2s or G10s can become a 64-68 average player, no matter how bad their aim clicks are (within reason.)  OTOH, someone that can't control their distance worth a damn, but can get 75% dings, has no chance whatsoever of getting below a 70 average.  No amount of dings can turn a bad player into a good player.

  Yeah! I see your point (again and again)

  But in your own words!

  A top player never rely' s on guesswork or luck!

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Sun, Oct 24 2010 10:04 AM

  GoldCard:

  Yeah! I see your point (again and again)

  But in your own words!

  A top player never rely' s on guesswork or luck!

  As much as is possible, a top player does not rely on guesswork (though some would apparently disagree if they are to be believed when they say that they usually only take 4-6 seconds to set up their shots,) but everyone needs some luck.

  I'm sure you'll be happy to know, GoldCard, that my last round played was a KIA Full 18 RG, and I sliced my tee shot on KIA #17, going into the water.  I would've won the tournament or tied for second, but because of going into the water, I'm tied for 9th.  I also missed that 5-ft straight putt on KIA #8, and maybe a few other mistakes as well.  Even I screw up.  ;)

• GoldCard 298 Posts

  Sun, Oct 24 2010 10:49 AM

  CharlemagneRH:

  I'm sure you'll be happy to know, GoldCard, that my last round played was a KIA Full 18 RG, and I sliced my tee shot on KIA #17, going into the water.  I would've won the tournament or tied for second, but because of going into the water, I'm tied for 9th.  I also missed that 5-ft straight putt on KIA #8, and maybe a few other mistakes as well.  Even I screw up.  ;)

  Why should that concern me?

  Just means that you are exactly the same as all us other players.

  My point is,

  No one without a third party software can continually post winning scores.

  Most of us are just human:)

   

• JuanMendoza 469 Posts

  Mon, Oct 25 2010 5:31 AM

  jbenny11:

  Charles, I have a 31-22 record against Tour Masters, I like them just fine. Please keep my name out of your mouth. You are correct in pointing out the obvious disadvantage Legends are facing against shorter tee box. I have to play my A game to even stand a chance. JB

  60-15 ;)

  thank you for tourney speed greens....