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Account Verification

• Fraenkel 2,252 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 1:13 PM

  After a few months of its submission still have not understood the true value of having a verified account. In the discussion proposed by John and relating to such operations WGT has plans to combat the rise of hypothetical cheaters I proposed this step, It might be misunderstood, hope not.

  The only way to prevent unsafe players is to have verified accounts by at least 75% of the members and go to exclude those not audited by major prizes or awards in anyway by credits above, a certain threshold. I believe that the same condition is the same as betting sites or where the real money (turned in credits) are handled by members.

  I know that is not a good idea especially for the fact that it could raise a big fuss but it is still a way to protect the "investments" of those who buy credits lilting to participate in events or buy equipments. In presence of unsafe players, who should be protected is subdued by the fact that the money used for what above could be used even by those who do not have a verified account and those, in most cases, rich the top of the leaderboards, daily.

  My is not an accusation but a point of view.

  The thread was created to share an idea (not an accusation) by a different point of view from those which didn't found "isssues" that encumbers the disappointment of many players, daily. I already share another view of what I mean, take for example the current earning leaders for the current month, less than 50% have a verified account and what I wonder is why do not register it and use the credits won for access to the Elite range and thus qualify for real prizes.  What I would like to know is that the money shared as prizes for a Ready Go events (example) will be assigned to those who have a recognized identity and not has a simple nickname.

  In my view it is appropriate that the accounts are verified to be able to access in Majors and Ready to Go events and this is because the first is giving away major prizes (real prize) and the latter because "launder" money that comes from credit cards or gift cards (we talk about real money and no virtual change), and thus theoretically, should be preserved. As mentioned above, in the same manner in which the betting sites and gambling games to protect their own customers in order to make them safe players.

  I don't want offend anyone, just share an idea for WGT, hope fair for ev'rybody.

  David.

• jsweetcr 1,209 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 1:24 PM

  I get what you are saying F and can't say I agree or disagree enitrely with it.

  Here is my only point and concern regarding it:

  I would love to get verified, but I am 99.9% sure I could never do it based on what I have read that is necessary to do so.

  I am an a American living in Costa Rica. costa Rica does not have address. My "address" is 800 meters east of the coast road, in some tow, in some county, in some province, in Costa Rica. There is no postal code. I dont get mail here as I cannot, they don't deliver to residences.

  I have an American passport and drivers license, however, the US license is from a home and area I no longer have any house or post at, so basically.

  I have a Costa Rican Driver's license, but there is no address on it.

  From what I understand you have to submit passport and or license with address and a utility bill that matches that address. So not even sure how I do all that and don't believe I would get verified in the end anyhow.

  If I can't win credits on this account then I leave, that simple. If I cant win credits without being verified, I leave, that simple.

  Pretty surea ton of people out there don't care to share some of the info that is required with WGT for fear it will not be kept safe as well.

  Just something to think about

• Fraenkel 2,252 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 2:11 PM

  Understand your point mate but I have to say that, if you got a credit card (think you have your personal one) to purchase credits, you should definitely have an address to which be available. I'm not talking about which is your own country or the one you live and even less about a simple flag of nationality here in the community. I'm talking about money, real money, the same you can use in San Josè could be the same changed in Frankfurt.

  I did not say that unverified players can not win credits.
  I just say they shouldn't enter for prizes and for the reason up above.

  Different and I repeat, just an idea.

• jsweetcr 1,209 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 2:28 PM

  But thought you said something about there being a cap on amount of credits for unverified.

  Pretty sure real life prizes the people need to be verified somehow anyway.

  I don't purchase credits ;)

  Pretty sure the idea you speak of is prob where WGT is heading at some point. Some version of it at least. Why have it, if they weren't going to make it more about just the elite collection

  Edit: Yes just went back and re red your 1st post and you make mention of RGs and other credit based prizes numerous times and about the money earning board.

  At the end of the day it still isn't going to protect from cheaters. There have been multiple threads about suspected multi accounters and when you go to their profile page they are verified. Someone could be verified and still sandbag, someone could still be verified and be using one of the cheats that have been shared out here. So what does being verified really do

• donsprintr 2,063 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 2:37 PM

  Just one question ... 

  How would WGT knowing who a person is, and what address they reside at, stop them from cheating? 

  Kinda skewed logic there ...if you're talking about software using cheaters. 

  It might stop some multi-accounters though. But if they were really good at this game, they could forge a new identity and address. It's not hard to do ... I don't know if WGT even bothers to contact the utility company to see if there is an actual person, with that name, residing at said address or not, and I don't expect them to say so in the forums. 

  But then I don't know if a multi-accounter would go to such lengths and risk a fraud conviction for something as trivial as a golf trip to some place nice ...

  On the other hand, a multi-accounter could be in collusion with a friend, and use that friends name and address ... in which case, even verification would be no deterrent.

  There are other drawbacks to verification other than the one Jsweet pointed out. The person that created an account on here, and plays the game, might not be the person in who's name the bills come to their residence. They could be a son, daughter, spouse, brother, sister, etc. ... requiring verification for a large number of people on here might lose WGT quite a few players. Legitimate honest players ....

  Done ... 

  Don

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 2:45 PM

  Ironically I am in a similar position to JS - Australian Citizen, now living in NZ. When I joined the game I lived in Singapore.

  Although I have been here a few years, I would like to move back home at some stage, but business interests, I am not sure when this will happen.

  All my utilities etc are in the name of my company - a few things such as a personal credit card are in my name, so if that sufficed I could do so (I did get a local driving licence but also has no address).

  Whilst I was initially going to get verified - as I have no chance of winning jack chit, I never did and I do NOT want to lose my Australian Flag - that is not negotiable!

  I do purchase credits, but do not play RG's or credit matches, so I have really no point, nor value by adding personal info that could be hacked (although very unlikely, but still possible).

  I understand your reasons David and could be a step in the right direction, however WGT must balance the benefits against players potentially leaving.

  I 100% AGREE that something needs to be done to limit the cheaters abilities to rip off innocent players - this could help to a degree but is not a definitive solution.

  The key is setting up a flagging system - new players who score well, cross checking IP's etc. Currently WGT is way to reactive not proactive, but conversely, we do not know, nor should know what combative measures they have.

  Basically if a player wants to play the system, they will regardless if they are verified or not.

• jayw4862 3,364 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 2:49 PM

  jsweetcr:

  Pretty surea ton of people out there don't care to share some of the info that is required with WGT for fear it will not be kept safe as well.

  I know you're legit j. And I see your point about not having an address. Does your local utility bill come addressed? I'm just thinking that it's strange to not have an address. Have you joined a tribe or something :-). J/K

  Ans, what WGT requires is not anything that could ever, ever be detrimental to one's security, finances, etc. No SS# at all. Banking and/or buying anything, from any site online is 10000x more risky. I read a few days back about someone's gift card/credit card they use here having some unknown charges on it, and since my bank debit card has been on file since May 2013 (with no problems), I decided to not chance it, and changed to a smaller account card at another bank.

  I agree 100% that RG's and big money/credits and prizes should only be won by legitimate verified players. How that can be done, I don't know. Your excuse is very legit (not having an address, etc). But, anyone who refuses by using the "I don't want my personal info in WGT hands" is questionable, and very, very uninformed. Not you, but anyone else. I agree with F on this one. I gamble real money on multiple websites, and those sites require more info on me than the bank did when I financed a house.

  I was told by a mutual friend to ask you about Costa Rica, as I am planning to move one day, and want to be out of this country, and somewhere tropical :-).

  PS...it's cool to see you getting your due in the RG's and $$ list.

   

• jayw4862 3,364 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 2:52 PM

  donsprintr:

  The person that created an account on here, and plays the game, might not be the person in who's name the bills come to their residence

  That's not true. The name on the utility bill does not have to match. Your DL address and the "address" on the bill must match.

• fairground11 1,211 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 2:53 PM

  everything is in my wifes name

  utility bills,bank account etc

  i have no credit card(i buy credits via paysafe)

  impossible for me to verify my account but i never play for credits and am not a good enough player to win any decent prizes in free to enter contest so i dont worry about it

• donsprintr 2,063 Posts

  Tue, Sep 23 2014 4:11 PM

  jayw4862:

  donsprintr:

  The person that created an account on here, and plays the game, might not be the person in who's name the bills come to their residence

  That's not true. The name on the utility bill does not have to match. Your DL address and the "address" on the bill must match.

  And if you have a driver's license with a prior address? What about if you have no driver's license? 

  Too many pitfalls ...