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Thu, Oct 30 2014 12:21 AM (49 replies)
  • Wontonamo
    2,269 Posts
    Tue, Sep 23 2014 4:22 PM

    being verified thru the wgt system doesnt mean theyre legit.

    ive seen more than my fair share of verified players that look more than dodgy.

    just have a look thru the virtual tour leaderboard and u can see what i mean.

    a lots of players that are verified, but only happen to play and somehow do extremely well in the major tourneys that contribute to the VT event, but dont play anything else in the mean time.

    just smacks of stash accounts - so whats the point of verification? to me its just an excuse to bleed wgt and appear legit.

    it has nothing to do with not cheating at all.

     

     

  • Fraenkel
    2,252 Posts
    Tue, Sep 23 2014 4:37 PM

    Thank you all for the support but I would not want you misrepresent the discussion. My argument is not about cheaters but a way to prevent a recycling of money (for example, one of the tournaments Ready Go) on account unverified.

    My questions are trivial but they have a sense of logic and are based on the fact that every fifteen days I purchase credits from my credit card through my verified account and for which WGT suggested I attend. 

    What sense does it have if only a part of the community that adheres to and another who, by choice or by force, does not choose to verify the account. The condition is not to restrict access to prevent cheaters but to protect equally the actual money that are invested to buy credits buy anyone, the same that are distributed to those who haven't a verified account.

    Appreciate all the answers and considerations, all reasonable but I do not want you to misunderstand what I'm trying to write. Mine is not a quest to prevent the problem of cheaters or multi accounters but to get protected by WGT for the reason that I invest real money, as gambling site, what ends up in the pockets of those who make my own tour. 

    None of us would sit at a virtual poker table, where you can win real money (high earning WGT credits can turn into Elite Pro Shop* or buy equipment, the same I pay ev'ry fifteen days) to play with another player with an account that is not verified, because this would not be permitted and I think it's not legit by law (I think, I really don't know that).

    What's the deal to get a verified account, I hope not to confirm the flag of my profile because the instinct would be to stick it where the sun doesn't beats and send it somewhere, with or without an address verified.

    I have not found a single benefit in fact, I almost feel discouraged.

     

     

     

    * Only if verified.

  • jayw4862
    3,364 Posts
    Tue, Sep 23 2014 9:14 PM

    donsprintr:
    And if you have a driver's license with a prior address?

    In the U.S., that might be illegal after a certain time period, or illegal if the address was given at renewal, knowing the person didn't reside there.

    donsprintr:
    What about if you have no driver's license? 

    Every state in America (don't know anything about the rest of the world) has state issued ID's. There are also, passports, military ID's, etc.

    I am not trying to stir up anything. And, I agree there are too many hurdles and pitfalls. In reality, it simply is too much for WGT to pursue.

    I would rather they (WGT) keep bringing new courses, and work on keeping the site running smoothly. And create another TIER!!!!!!!

     

     

     

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Tue, Sep 23 2014 9:25 PM

    I think that a lot of people just wouldn't trust WGT with any more personal information than is absolutely necessary.

  • jayw4862
    3,364 Posts
    Tue, Sep 23 2014 9:30 PM

    Wontonamo:

    ive seen more than my fair share of verified players that look more than dodgy.

    just have a look thru the virtual tour leaderboard and u can see what i mean.

    a lots of players that are verified, but only happen to play and somehow do extremely well in the major tourneys that contribute to the VT event, but dont play anything else in the mean time.

    just smacks of stash accounts

    Agree 100%. And it ain't gonna stop. WGT could take measures to curtail some of it, but what's in it for them? Nothing. So, in their eyes, it's a costly waste of time. They are a business first, and a babysitter, last.

    Being verified would stop a small amount of the multi's, that's all. Even verified players can use those cheat programs (some probably do). But, what about the one's in the top 50 at the end of the month, who aren't verified, and have more credits in the bank than they could ever spend on WGT? They can't cash them in for gift cards because they are not verified. What do they do with those credits? Sell them? Gift to their other accounts?

    WGT can do something about the questionable players, but it's not profitable, nor worth their time.

     

  • Fraenkel
    2,252 Posts
    Tue, Sep 23 2014 11:30 PM

    jayw4862:

    Wontonamo:

    They can't cash them in for gift cards because they are not verified. What do they do with those credits? Sell them? Gift to their other accounts?

    This is the point Jay and that is what I meant in my first post in response. 

    I also think that the it's possible transfer even an high mount of credits also through Blitz Game or Match Play and I do not like. An unsafe player with an unverified account can use the credits won in a (example) Ready to Go event where half of the participants have a verified account because it is supposed to happen if it has been defined as transition towards improvement. 

    At this point we need to distinguish the criteria for access to monetized tournaments with events dedicated to verified accounts and events for unverified account. Do not interpret the phrase as discriminating, this is to ensure the proper recycling of winning money to those who are buying credits with an identity claims, both to those who win. Wwho cares if it's your grandpa identity, in money recycling sites you must enter an indentiy which corresponds to a bank account or credit account, that mean win or lose safely.

    Undeniable that what I write is fair.

     

     

    jsweetcr:
    I don't purchase credits

    I read this now Jon and that's very good for you mate but as I told, to keep my presence here and enjoy all the proshop equipments, enter premium tournaments and try to "stop charging too one day", I have to purchase credits.

    I'm pretty sure that I'm not only one of kind.

    You are definitely an excellent player than me because you have earned more credits with even one/third of the ranked games I played untill today. You also have almost 50% success rate (Stroke Play Top 10 Finishes) which means that if you invest 1,000cr. you win 2000, and this is because at the10th place (premium trophy) in a Ready Go event you get the double of what is the entry fee, imagine the gains even if you win by finishing with crystal or diamond trophy.

  • TDSLIMIT
    409 Posts
    Fri, Sep 26 2014 12:40 PM

    Verifying your account means nothing.  I give you this to think about.  I live in Florida.  Where account verification isn't possible.  Nor is it possible In quite a few other states and countries.  So I ask why is it that WGT can verify accounts in one state but not in others.   Answer that and you will have your answers.     DW  

  • Fraenkel
    2,252 Posts
    Fri, Sep 26 2014 11:26 PM

    Do not tell me that in Florida there are no addresses.
    Another country with "identity free".

    Sorry guys but I still really do not understand what you mean when you say that "where an account verification isn't possible." Will is power, if you "want to" demonstrate by consistency what the account verification "should" be represent.

    Anything is possible. 

    What WGT wanted, or would want is (we didn't get any answer yet so any answer could be the right one) to have your account details aligned with who is rumored to be, then it would be enough to provide a valid identity document (also in Djibouti have a name and address) where the data appear to reference. 

    It makes more sense say that not everyone wants to give their data, who knows what to fear for, and unfortunately is the biggest nonsense that I have ever seen also because it is precisely those who asked to "support the account verification" that seems to bring the total lack of interest.
    I mean the discussion is open by a couple of days.

    Think I don't need to give or wait for a reply for answer my questions.
    There should be an istant clarification, or that what I was expecting.

    Rivisable.

  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Sat, Sep 27 2014 12:19 AM

    Fraenkel:
    Sorry guys but I still really do not understand what you mean when you say that "where an account verification isn't possible."

    Ciao David, been reading your 'verification' crusade in a few threads over the last couple of weeks and afraid I have to disagree.....

    Believe me when I say "There is NO WAY I could verify my account with WGT's current criteria" or with the ways you've thrown out there.

    Andy

     

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