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• lee22sharon 1,419 Posts

  Fri, Feb 6 2015 6:42 PM

  I gotta get in this.  Much meat here, both in the question and the various answers.

  I gather that the OP has "hit the wall" and is looking for a way thru or around it.  From all of the answers I read, there are no bad ones.  Some of them are very good and will allow you to get on "gettin on.  The only differences I see is, how much work do you want to put into it?  The easy way to use the caddy is your own experience with your clubs, verses that as recommended by the caddy.  In most cases the caddy is the base starting point to just get you in the ball park.  If you excerpt the better advice you read here plus your experience you should do well.

  One matter not mentioned, or if it was i missed it is  when to hit a full stroke,or to hit something else.  The caddie is not reliable in choosing what stroke to use in a given circumstance.   I can not wave a wand and show you the best way.  Experience, mathematical skills, and any other devices that work should all be used.  With all the good advice here i'm sure you will find an answer that will work.  my nickle

   

• KrisBoyd1 146 Posts

  Fri, Feb 6 2015 7:37 PM

  I'll give my twopeneth for what it's worth i find any club less than 145 yes will carry its distance with backspin clubs  after that i subtract 5-7 yards from total distance! Then i factor in elevation and wind for a headwind every plus 3 mph i add a yard and every 3 foot of elevation again another yard with a a strong wind over 15 mph I also add an extra 5 yards for the ball hanging in the wind! Tailwinds and downhillers are more tricky but using a similar formula and taking a little more off works for me, best advice is as previously stated getting to know your clubs and balls I know my 145yd 8iron never ever lets me down it does what it says on the tin even into a 12 mph headwind it goes 145 yards i will have probably missed the ding and landed in a tree but it's a tree exactly 145yards away so that's what counts, like tiger said get it pin high and your half way there

• keidan 311 Posts

  Sat, Feb 7 2015 10:58 AM

  flyboy1958:

  in this i mean 5/6yds over the flag or 5/6 yards short now why is this happening?especially when he can hit a 14 under on wgt comps now instead of arguing amongst yourselves can someone please give us a remedy your help ould be gratefully received

  Lots of good advice here.  Both caculation/notes approach and seat of the pants approach are totally valid.  As I gain experience I rely less and less on notes and calculations (yes I only have 380 total ranked rounds but I play unlimited tourneys... so you can multiply that 380 by like 5 or 6 haha)

  If you are into calculations, mapping your equipment should include a) shot types: full, punch etc;  b) power level: 100% 90% etc;  c) spin; d) wind;  e) elevation  f) terrain.  Most has been covered in this thread.

  There still remain plenty of factors (including lots that I don't know about I'm sure) to explain 5/6 yard misses. These below have been mentioned by lots of great players elsewhere in the forum and maybe missed by me in this thread:

  1.  Precision and accuracy of equipment. A perfectly calculated and executed shot can still miss by a several yards.  Lots of good discussions on this.

  2. Club carry vs roll out distances.  This mapping is important because there is a lot of variation particularly when spin and wind come into play.

  3.  elevation revisited.  Straighforward adding/subtracting yardage due to elevation is one thing. There is also different club behavior because high elevation tends to cause your ball to roll more (due to downward trajectory not allowed to complete).  And a long club might roll less because a large drop in elevation will cause a tendency for the ball to go into a vertical free fall.

  4.  Green topography.  Not going to go too deep into this but you can see differences in the tens of yards here.  An example would be applying full backspin to a green that is sloping sharply towards you... and see your ball practically fly off the front of the green.

  5. wind revisited.  some holes simply have more of a wind effect than others, given the same wind speed.

  6. "Mapping" individual holes.  Perfect calculations don't apply to some holes, you just scratch your head and make a note that this hole needs a +5 yd fudge factor and another a -10 yd fudge factor at a given distance from the green.

  -Keith

  oh yes, forget the caddy