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Thu, Oct 29 2015 11:36 PM (56 replies)
  • CanineSupervisor
    1,882 Posts
    Fri, Oct 23 2015 6:06 PM

    AndreasHelke:
    I wonder if they ever heard of object oriented programming.

     What do you think Adobe ActionScript code is?

    StrayedFairway:
    Flash is sand-boxed (in many browsers) is that a clue, it's done for a good reason, concur?

    But you left out other things such as - 

    • Web Pages: Your web browser essentially runs web pages you visit in a sandbox. They’re restricted to running in your browser and accessing a limited set of resources — they can’t view your webcam without permission or read your computer’s local files. If the websites you visit weren’t sandboxed and isolated from the rest of your system, visiting a malicious website would be as bad as willfully installing a virus onto your own system.
    • Browser Plug-in Content:Content loaded by browser plug-ins — e.g. Adobe Flash and Microsoft Silverlight — is run in a sandbox, too. Playing a flash game on a web page is safer than downloading a game and running it as a stand-alone program because Adobe Flash isolates the game from the rest of your system and restricts what it can do.
    • PDFs and other DocumentsAdobe Reader now runs PDF files in a sandbox as well, preventing them from escaping the PDF viewer and tampering with the rest of your computer. Microsoft Office also has a sandbox mode to prevent unsafe macros from harming your system.
    • Windows Programs: User Account Control functions as a bit of a sandbox, essentially restricting Windows desktop applications from modifying system files without first asking you permission. Note that this is very minimal protection — any Windows desktop program could choose to sit in the background and log all your keystrokes, for example. User Account Control just restricts access to system files and system-wide settings.
    • Other programs on your computer are also sandboxed. e.g., Google Chrome and IE both run in a sandbox. These browsers are programs running on your computer, but they don’t have access to your entire computer. They run in a low-permission mode. Even if the web page found a security vulnerability and managed to take control of the browser, it would then have to escape the browser’s sandbox to do real damage. By running the web browser with fewer permissions, we gain security. Firefox is like the only browser that still doesn’t run in a sandbox.
  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Fri, Oct 23 2015 6:22 PM

    PhiEaglesFan:
    I've been writing code as a hobby since I was 5 on my Tandy Coco, the most basic BASIC you could ever imagine.  I was just never interested in pursuing it professionally, although I do dabble in automated JS scripting at work.  I do speak from experience here. 

    If you had pursued it professionally you would have found it quite different than writing code as a hobby.  Primary difference being having a paying customer and the effects it has on the whole process.

    PhiEaglesFan:
    I've played a couple of match play challenges in the last month or two, so let's not imply that I'm completely disconnected.  I'm not. 

    Try playing 5 0r 10 MP and/or AS this weekend and see if games get disconnects.  Ask the players what's been happening.

    IIRC, you don't play the game like most people play it.  You play in Flash Player and not in a browser like everyone else.  That might be a clue.  I personally have experience maybe 1 three strikes and I'm out disconnect in the last 2 months.  But I've seen many, many more happen to others and the game ends.  I play in the latest version of Chrome with the latest version of Flash on a top end 4th gen i7 and 16G of RAM and Nvidia gforce vid card.  That might be a clue too.

    I think the number 1 question to ask when things break that used to work is "What changed?"  The disconnect and crash problems in MP and AS have become severe over the last few months.  Yes disconnects have been with us forever, but bearable.  It was rare for a game to end due to 3 strikes and out.  What changed?  Not much on my computer other than Chrome and Flash updates. 

    There's been 2 WGT releases (at least) since these problems got worse.

    PhiEaglesFan:
    Why is everyone running the same code and getting different results?
    I hope that's a rhetorical question because we both know no two PC are like snowflakes, no two are identical.  As are connections.

    The question could be:  Why can't WGT better handle the differences.

    Funny how a player can show as loading in AS but can still chat about it.  Then boom, "your opponent has disconnected etc.".  Well no he hasn't he could chat FFS!

    Then there's the bug where supposedly a player manually disconnects from the internet for a very short period of time and then the game just spins (loading) but never times out and disconnects.

    Its pretty obvious WGT doesn't do much, if any, testing in a real world environment before turning it loose on the real world.  I think they did some on the Android release though so its not totally foreign to them.

  • PhiEaglesFan
    617 Posts
    Fri, Oct 23 2015 9:56 PM

    andyson:
    IIRC, you don't play the game like most people play it.  You play in Flash Player and not in a browser like everyone else.

    That's correct, although that was a somewhat recent development.  I had never seen that before until I resumed playing on a regular basis.  TBH, I still don't understand why that happens.  I believe the only advantage it provides me is a higher frame rate.  My meter has been pretty much perfect, unless one of my services gets all uppity. 

    However, it doesn't handle multiplayer very well (frame wise), and my meter will tank at times.  I think this has to do with the fact that I can't type in full screen mode (that's kinda ridiculous), so I have to keep going in and out. And I have to do that because apparently people get offended when you don't say "NS" every after shot.  I love those conversations, "ns, g1, ty, gs, n1, vn, ty, nb, nb, ty, nb,nb, ty, ty, nb,nb ty".  Riveting.

    andyson:
    PhiEaglesFan:
    Why is everyone running the same code and getting different results?
    I hope that's a rhetorical question because we both know no two PC are like snowflakes, no two are identical.  As are connections.
    That's kinda my point.  If it's not those end-user differences causing the majority of, but not all issues, then what else is it?

    They do test, but I can guarantee you they have a very small team and a very large product.  Full regression testing is great, but not practical in SQA reality.  I can't remember the last time at my current job where there was time for a full regression.  Typically it's a light regression of the known "pain points" and expected changes introduced by any new code.  Ultimately, you kinda have to cross your fingers and hope for the best.  I absolutely hate that approach, but that's all they give you time to do when the deadlines are as tight as they typically are.

    However,  this doesn't explain the camera issue that happened a while back.  That was somewhat disappointing, and I won't even try to defend it.  If I had to guess their test environment wasn't enough of a mirror of production, or (and this is probably it) someone tried to throw in a fix or feature at the last moment and QA never got a chance to look at it.  That's always fun.

    And lastly, to bring this around full-circle to the OP.  Despite some flaws, I think the game is still pretty awesome.  I just wish they would put more emphasis on the "daily" experience and reward those who play every single day (with something other than the current pittance of an XP bonus for one round).  Goals, tasks, missions, freebies, and customizable things like grips, shafts and the like.  I think they're really missing the boat and taking money out of their own pockets on all that stuff.

  • StrayedFairway
    379 Posts
    Sat, Oct 24 2015 4:56 AM

    CanineSupervisor:
    But you left out other things such as - 

    A assumed that the parties involved in this conversation had that basic knowledge and therefore there was no reason to bullet point a simplified overview.

    As a point for future reference half of what you state does not apply to me, please do not assume that others use Windows as their primary PC. 

    CanineSupervisor:
    Playing a flash game on a web page is safer than downloading a game and running it as a stand-alone program because Adobe Flash isolates the game from the rest of your system and restricts what it can do.

    CVE-2015-5119 and the beloved ByteArray, the attack vector could very well be that advert over there ----> if you are not using something like adBlock, yes I know it's fixed.

  • CanineSupervisor
    1,882 Posts
    Sat, Oct 24 2015 7:53 AM

    StrayedFairway:
    As a point for future reference half of what you state does not apply to me, please do not assume that others use Windows as their primary PC. 

    Oh, I do apologize if my Doctorate in computer engineering takes over on occasion. I do thank you for bringing up the sandbox issue, however. It served as a great segue into my list. 

    It was intended for those, reading this, that do use Win OS and not aimed at you particularly. Too many people here believe that this game can allow unethical practices by third parties to infiltrate their systems. Just letting those that wear the aluminum foil hats here know it is highly unlikely, unless as you pointed out the advert ----- > over there has been targeted. Still highly unlikely that it will escape the sandbox though.

    I am also aware that there are a few of us, not many, that use Mac or another OS.

    Gawd, I love programming discussions. Makes me feel tingly all over.

    just sayin'...

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Sat, Oct 24 2015 8:18 AM

    "Oh, I do apologize if my Doctorate in computer engineering takes over on occasion."

    ......I can play "Mary had a little lamb" on da Tuba.......:)

    (hmm... maybe under-rated skills like this should be saved for a different thread.)

    ct

  • StrayedFairway
    379 Posts
    Sat, Oct 24 2015 8:35 AM

    CanineSupervisor:
    Still highly unlikely that it will escape the sandbox though.

    Oh but it did albeit that vector was very targeted.

    CanineSupervisor:
    Gawd, I love programming discussions. Makes me feel tingly all over.

    I'm pretty bored of it after 30+ years in the industry, with a Masters Degree must stop saying that it means nothing.

    just sayin'...

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Sat, Oct 24 2015 8:42 AM

    To be honest, it's kind of heartening to see you folks with high end degrees having to put up with the discos and freezes just like us lowly Tuba players....:)

    ...I should add that it's a Base Tuba....:)

  • StrayedFairway
    379 Posts
    Sat, Oct 24 2015 8:50 AM

    I loved a disco or two in the 80's but now they are a royal pain in the A$$ and in my f'ing home!

  • StrayedFairway
    379 Posts
    Sat, Oct 24 2015 8:55 AM

    ct690911:
    Tuba players

    I have tried to learn a few instruments over time, but I have always failed miserably, I admire any one of can play it's a true art.

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