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Putting on Championship Greens

• PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 3:28 AM

  oneeyedjohn:

  I agree with Paulton's assessment, with one ryder, Part B depnds a lot on how far along the total putt this incline occurs.

  One's adjustment would be less if close and more if further away.

  Yeah good point John, thanks.

• ScottHope 10,440 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 4:13 AM

  One million mulligans later.....

  REPLAY

  ...83ft 4ft up champ greens,  88-89ft of power.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 5:37 AM

  Without looking at Scott's replay I'll bet the shot was the one you get when you come up short on the approach to RSG #4. That is a CTTH shot and I use the 300 ft scale-3 moves for a 132 - 138 foot putt, depending on wind. :-)

• zagraniczniak 1,984 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 6:15 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Without looking at Scott's replay I'll bet the shot was the one you get when you come up short on the approach to RSG #4. That is a CTTH shot and I use the 300 ft scale-3 moves for a 132 - 138 foot putt, depending on wind. :-)

  To get from where Scott's ball was lying to the hole at the 4th at Royal St George's would be a putt of a couple hundred miles.

• PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 7:02 AM

  That's a helluva putt right there...in Scotland.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 7:19 AM

  zagraniczniak:

  To get from where Scott's ball was lying to the hole at the 4th at Royal St George's would be a putt of a couple hundred miles.

  LOL. Guess it wasn't RSG.  ;-)

   

• ZioMio 4,680 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 7:39 AM

  ScottHope:

  One million mulligans later.....

  I think I would've used a wedge and saved 999,990 mulligans LoL

  But this is Scott and there is no give-up in him .... must be some OCD in him that drives him to solve a problem. :-)

• ScottHope 10,440 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 7:54 AM

  ZioMio:

  I think I would've used a wedge and saved 999,990 mulligans LoL

  Lol, wish you'd told me that earlier Zio, I would've let you do it, hehe.  : )

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 7:57 AM

  ZioMio:

  I think I would've used a wedge and saved 999,990 mulligans LoL

  LOL. Not a fan of wedging on greens but there are some places you're crazy not to. That one and the "barely on the green" approach on SA17 sure demand it.  :-D

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Fri, Jun 3 2016 8:17 AM

  ScottHope:

   

  ...83ft 4ft up champ greens,  88-89ft of power.

   

  One thing to keep in mind is the precision of the measurements provided is less on putts with large elevation changes.  We're dealing with 2ft or 3ft or 4ft increments and rounding up or down comes into play.

  A putt like Scott's showing 4ft up could be anywhere from 3.5 ft to 4.49 ft up.  Converting to inches it's anywhere from 42 inches up to 54 inches up.  Using 4ft as 48 inches up could be 6 inches off long or short.  That's 4 or 5 ft of power in many cases.

  I move the aimer around looking for the transition, in Scott's putt where does it change from 3 to 4 ft or 4 to 5 ft.  Then I know that spot is either 42 inches up, or 54 inches up.  Then I look at the dots moving towards or away from the hole to judge the remaining slope.

  I went to St. A #11, very close to where Scott was:

  

  Then using reverse view I moved the aimer around to find a transition:

  

  Images B and C show the transition from 3ft up to 4ft up occurs a mere 4ft in front of the pin.  That spot is 3.5 ft up or an elevation of 42 inches up.  The dots between that spot and the cup were barely moving from cup to the spot.  So its pretty flat as shown below 3.9 ft in front of the cup:  So I'd use 42 as the elevation vs 48.

  

  If I were to calculate the power factor (PF)for Scott's putt hit with 88ft of power:  

  (83 +42)PF = 88ft

  PF = 88 / 125 = .70

  If I had taken 4ft up for granted my power factor would be .68  That's a difference of 3 ft on a putt with a combined Distance + Elevation of 150

  I know I tend to over analyze stuff!  LOL

  There's a lot of pins up on a plateau like this example. (Oly #17 or the long Par 3 on RSG come to mind) where I frequently end up below the plateau.  So I make note of successful putts and the factor used.