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New TM - Green Speeds Issue

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Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:22 AM (27 replies)
  • jakestanfill7
    949 Posts
    Wed, Mar 16 2011 8:09 PM

    DaneFenton:
    Legend Greens and TM greens are exactly the same and I think im a fair judge in that because I have recently moved from TM to Legend.

    Sorry Dane but you're off your rocker.  They aren't even close.  TM tournament greens are very close to "very fast" in speed.  Legend tournament greens are considerably faster.  I've played close to 4000 ranked rounds excluding match play and have a pretty good bead on the greens.

    If you don't believe me, maybe Avlee, Bollox, or Price will weigh in on the issue.  They will tell you the exact same thing.

    Purely idiotic that they have two different green speeds named the same thing but I have also confirmed this with a WGT employee who corroborates the theory.

  • DaneFenton
    162 Posts
    Wed, Mar 16 2011 10:43 PM

    Well its just my opinion that they are so so similar in speed that it seems exatly the same and I will stand by that. I haven't changed the way I putt in the slightest since entering the Legend teir and the only thing I find different is the tees. I found TM greens far far faster than just very fast greens but Legend greens no different to TM greens. Also to say I have only been a Legend for 2 days well that was precisely my point if someone was to notice a difference it would be someone who has recently moved teirs and I noticed no difference at all

  • BacardiAndCoke
    449 Posts
    Thu, Mar 17 2011 2:42 AM

    thats cool im just glad im not going mad :-)

    But WGT should sort it, u should know what speed the greens are when u being told, u shoulldn't have to guess, it cant be that diffiicult surely for WGT to rename the Legend Tourament greens under a different name like quick or something or jsut make both tier have the same greens

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Thu, Mar 17 2011 4:56 AM

    DaneFenton:
    YankeeJim You are a Tour Master so how would you know how the Ledgend greens play?

    Because when you play AS with Legends you get Legend speeds. Go to Oakmont (I see you played it at least once) and try putting like a TM. LOL-see you in the 80s.

     

    p.s., Do you know what a stimpmeter is?

  • DaneFenton
    162 Posts
    Thu, Mar 17 2011 5:22 AM

    YankeeJim:

    DaneFenton:
    YankeeJim You are a Tour Master so how would you know how the Ledgend greens play?

    Because when you play AS with Legends you get Legend speeds. Go to Oakmont (I see you played it at least once) and try putting like a TM. LOL-see you in the 80s.

     

    p.s., Do you know what a stimpmeter is?

     

    Have played at Oakmont as Legend and didn't find it any different then when I was a Tour Master and yes I do know what a stimpmeter is I play off a handicap of 4. I wasn't mouthing off I was just having my opinion and sharing what I have learnt and was just saying you are not a Legend so how how you got your information? So whats with your smartarse comments? "LOL see you in the 80s" and "Do you know what a stimpmeter is"

    P.S you hardly learn much about greens playing Alt Shot. Just give up on your argument and do yourself a favour and come back and have your say on this when your a Legend and then maybe your argument might have some meaning because right now it just seems stupid because your not even a Legend

  • StrangeMagic
    1,304 Posts
    Thu, Mar 17 2011 6:50 AM

    DaneFenton:
    Just give up on your argument and do yourself a favour and come back and have your say on this when your a Legend

     

    I am and I agree with YankeeJim.

     Dane, between JakeStanfill and YankeeJim...they have close to 5,500 total ranked rounds. They are both highly respected for their knowledge and ability.

    Give it some time and you will see.

    Just sayin...

  • Steelers75
    239 Posts
    Thu, Mar 17 2011 7:25 AM

    @ DaneFenton - YJ is correct.  The tournament green speeds for TM's and Legends are different.  The green speed for Legends is noticeably faster.  As such, putts break more and downhill putts do go further.  Even a slightly-less-observant-than-most newbie Legend notices the difference.  How would you notice any difference though when all you've played since making Legend is Ready-Go's?  Green conditions/speed are different from one Ready-Go to the next.  Try playing standard stroke play.

    Despite YJ being a TM he plays with a lot of Legends.  You will find that if you do some research instead of spouting experience-lacking rhetoric that his statements are not made without having the necessary knowledge despite being a TM.  There are reasons why his advice is solid that have obviously escaped you.  Did you ever stop to think the he's still a TM on purpose and for good reason?  Doubtful.

    Give it a rest.  Your lack of observation does not mean contradictory statements to your opinion are incorrect.  Again, do some research.  This will assist you in making educated comments rather than look the fool.  C'mon!  has there been any other Legend that agrees with you?

    Who'd of thought?  A brand new Legend that knows everything about the changes in characteristics moving up a tier.

    -Steel

    @YJ - my good cop bad cop button is broke.  It's all bad!!! LOL

  • DaneFenton
    162 Posts
    Thu, Mar 17 2011 7:52 AM

    how can I do better research than playing and that is what I have been doing and still I find them exatly the same. hey I wish they were different so I wouldn't have to continually try justify what I have found myself. You guys are trying to make me sound like an idiot when all have done is express my own personal experiance and why should I change my opinions on something just to please others? I would actually love to come on here and admit I am wrong but I just can't. I honestly haven't changed the way I putt in the slightest and im holing exactly the same putts as I was as a TM im having the same ammount of putts as when i was a TM and you would think if the greens were so much different and I hadn't changed a thing at all I would be struggling as a legend but im not at all. Well this is my opinion and im sticking to it unless I can be proved not told otherwise.

    I am allowed to have an opinion aren't I?

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Thu, Mar 17 2011 8:08 AM

    Dane-You are by no means an idiot. You made Legend and that speaks for itself.

     Depending on the way you putt you just might not see a huge difference in the green speeds but they are definitely different. I use the avatar move method and can tell you the difference in speeds, for me, is simply the difference in a club move as in before and after. I don't consider  this a huge difference but there is no question if I don't pay attention to it I get a lot of lip outs and balls roll down hill well past the hole. Think Oak #2 when you put yourself on the green above the ball. Or #1 when you leave yourself right of the pin.

    If you know what a stimpmeter is like you said how do you explain WGT's different rating on greens by tiers? What really matters here is how you get it done and if playing Legend greens like a TM works for you then good luck with it.  ;-)

     

    p.s., I WILL be a Legend in April.  

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Thu, Mar 17 2011 9:07 AM

    YankeeJim:
    I WILL be a Legend in April.  

    (Me writing THAT down!) lol

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