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Chipping: I Seem To Be Missing Something

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Mon, Feb 27 2017 6:44 PM (16 replies)
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  • BPeterson8256
    2,940 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 9:54 AM

    I am having a tough time determining why the ball behaves differently under similar circumstances. Any insight would be appreciated. It seems I can have a 6Y chip, I will do the math, hit it with full bs with my 64 Clev, and it will be the exact right distance. Another time, it will release and go 6-8' past the hole. Still another time, it will stop dead 6-8' short. It seems to do this whether out of the rough, the fairway, or the fringe, and whether there is an elevation gain or loss. My short game is improving a lot, but I am not satisfied with where it is at. The only thing I have not kept track of, is missed dings. I do struggle with hitting the ding, but from what I can tell, this is not what is causing such a large variation. Am I overlooking something, or is this just part of the fun? I occasionally have similar issues with pitching, but not quite as much variation. (note: I am sure the problem is with me. I just can't see what is causing the variation.)

  • oneeyedjohn
    9,588 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 2:16 PM

    U have the balls and the wedges to hit good chips, so the only factor that can influence the distance is rough.

    Anything above 25% rough then u need to allow for it, and also expect some extra run out.

    Different courses will sometimes give different results, so perhaps make mental note of where the results aren't what u expected.

  • pmm711
    5,770 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 2:19 PM

     start with young46's youtube video...link below...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elQg55DYgiw

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 3:00 PM

    BPeterson8256:
    It seems to do this whether out of the rough, the fairway, or the fringe,

    Right there describes 3 different ways a chip is going to be affected. From rough, it's going to roll no matter what you do. You have to expect it because spin doesn't do anything. It does from fairway and fringe but the fringe chip will carry a bit farther than the fairway so adjust your strength accordingly.

    Take a look, if you haven't already, at what a choked down pitch does. I mean way choked, like for 6-7 yards. A full chip for 7 yds and a pitch for 7 yds act differently because of the air time on the shots and that pitch is pretty accurate. 

  • Robert1893
    7,729 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 3:44 PM

    @BPeterson8256

    In addition to what has been written above, which I agree with, I can tell you what works for me. First, I never chip. I always pitch. Second, I always use a ball with at least 3.5 dots of spin, which looks like you already do. Third, here's how I calculate a distance for a pitch: 

    • For shorter pitches (~5 to 7 yards), I add 3 yards to the total and hit the appropriate percentage. 
    • For medium-length pitches 8 to 12 yards, I add about 2 yards to the total and again hit the percent for that shot.
    •  For pitches of about 13 to 15 yards, I add 1 yard and hit appropriately.
    Virtually 100% of the time (there are exceptions), I'm hitting the pitch with full backspin. The above system has worked well for me. By the way, the above assumes that the pitch is from the fairway. If it's from the fringe, I have to back off just a bit on the numbers. As Jim correctly notes above, pitches from the fringe go farther.

    By the way, I have the same Cleveland wedges as you do. The above approach is with my 64-degree wedge, which has a pitch rated at 17 yards. I admit as well that some of this is by "feel." In other words, on some holes I may slightly adjust the above formula, depending on variables such as elevation change, if any. 

    There is a caveat to the above. If the slope of the green around the hole has a drastic rolloff or downslope after the hole. I'll probably opt for a flop instead. For example, on the 4th hole of Chambers Bay, if my ball ends up in the fairway portion above the hole, I always use a flop from there. I would never attempt a pitch.

    While I think a pitch has a better chance of holing out, it's also is going to have difficulty stopping by the hole on that green. The flop, however, will stop pretty much dead, leaving me a tap-in birdie.

    I hope this helps. If it does, great! If not, feel free to ignore. I'm just passing on what has worked for me.  

  • JimbeauC
    5,835 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 4:58 PM

    Obvious to most but worth mentioning anyway. 

    Switch to behind the hole view and change the dot movement from side - side to back - front. This will tell you if you're hitting into a flat green, a runoff or backstop. The shot will react differently for each. 

  • PhilEStein
    1,269 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 8:22 PM

    Robert1893:

    There is a caveat to the above. If the slope of the green around the hole has a drastic rolloff or downslope after the hole. I'll probably opt for a flop instead. For example, on the 4th hole of Chambers Bay, if my ball ends up in the fairway portion above the hole, I always use a flop from there. I would never attempt a pitch.

    While I think a pitch has a better chance of holing out, it's also is going to have difficulty stopping by the hole on that green. The flop, however, will stop pretty much dead, leaving me a tap-in birdie.

    I hope this helps. If it does, great! If not, feel free to ignore. I'm just passing on what has worked for me.  

    Reading what you writted Robert surprised me so I've just visited the 4th @ CB and rarely enough I put my second to 6 ft from the hole! But then I turned and after 3 attempts I managed to putt up the hill and off the green to 18 yds from the pin. I then pitched to 1.7 ft from the hole. Was just thinking you may wish to revise your thoughts on that hole is all. In saying that, it probably helps having a spin factor of 5 on the ball.

     

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 9:13 PM

    Robert1893:
    I never chip

    Robert1893:
    on the 4th hole of Chambers Bay, if my ball ends up in the fairway portion above the hole, I always use a flop from there.

    This is an absolute perfect place to use a chip, I've holed it a number of times from there. Full back spin on a 64w hit about 50% and thrown out to the right a bit will wander right down to the hole.

    Same thing on CCC #6 and 11 when you wind up on the fringe past the pin. The return is downhill and the chip is really easy to control for that short distance with a high degree of success.  :-)

  • K7JBQ
    1,469 Posts
    Sun, Feb 26 2017 9:59 PM

    Hmmm...green speed, elevation change, rough percentage, all factor in.

    I know some folks never chip. I got chewed our royally by a Champion I was partnered with in an AS game for chipping. But I've sunk a lot of them.

    All three shots have their place. It's all situational.

  • pmm711
    5,770 Posts
    Mon, Feb 27 2017 12:14 AM

    K7JBQ:
    I got chewed our royally by a Champion I was partnered with in an AS game for chipping.

    I would love to know who that A-Hole is...frigg'in id.

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