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• AugustWest123 15 Posts

  Sat, Apr 1 2017 10:19 AM

  Regarding not wanting to move to Master from Tour Pro (keeping my average above 67.0)

   

  I was told not go under -2 for 9 and I'd be safe from doing this.  I was at 67.17 or something and was surprised I went down to 67.04 after going -1 on the back nine last night at George. 

   

  Maybe it was because I beat someone who was a Tour Master?  Is that why my score lowered?

   

  My question is this: for you guys who know this stuff (way over my head), am I safe if I don't go under -2 for every 9 I play in terms of keeping my score above 67.0?

   

  Or to be sure, do I have to forfeit before ending a 9 if I'm under par?

   

  For the time being, I want to stay at the level I'm at--really don't want to start buying balls, at least for now.

   

  As always, thanks to you honored gentlemen.

• SeveFrost 1,615 Posts

  Sun, Apr 2 2017 5:42 AM

  welcome getting to the next tier, and I see you did eventually get to master

   

  try using the 10 credit distance balls. they give you a boost from the tee and you won't miss the expenditure while you gather credits for your next club upgrades. I still use them now

• lonniescott711 4,207 Posts

  Sun, Apr 2 2017 9:52 AM

  Tiering up is no big deal and its nothing to be afraid of . Why do you play if you arent going to try to play your best . Forfeitng or quitting on other players during a round is pathetic . Why do you feel that you have the right to waste their time and their ball use because you dont want to tier up . Thats not fair to them so if you cant finish the round then dont play against other players . Dont want to tier up then play stroke play practice rounds . The scores wont count or affect your average only your levels will go up and nothing else . You can also go hide behind CTTH game format or play only the BEST OF Par3`s and Par 5`s . None of those will affect your average .

   As for not having to buy balls you dont have too and will never need to .I can play from the tips with the free ball and shoot a decent score at the same time . So thats a lame excuse for not tiering up . You will however need to upgrade your clubs but other than the needed club upgrades that will be it .

  You refer to us as being honorable and thats ok but also remember that golf is a game of honesty and integrity . It is expected that all who play the game conduct themselves according to those high standards . So please follow suit and abide by that same code .I have been playing the game going on 6 years and began to love it even more when I reached the tips . Yes the game becomes more of a challenge as you tier up thats the fun part about the game .

  So dont let tiering up cause you to miss out on a lot of fun in the game . The last thing you want to do is earn the reputation of a quitter , once you do no one will want to play a round with you . Its your game however and the final call is yours to make but I wish you well as to that choice . Play well have fun and good luck with your game . :-)

• alosso 21,088 Posts

  Sun, Apr 2 2017 10:00 AM

  AugustWest123:

  Regarding not wanting to move to Master from Tour Pro (keeping my average above 67.0)

  I was told not go under -2 for 9 and I'd be safe from doing this.

  You needed better advice naming the scores and not +-Par values which have variable influence on the average.

  AugustWest123:

  Maybe it was because I beat someone who was a Tour Master?  Is that why my score lowered?

  Probably - you were missing advice to avoid it, weren't you?

  AugustWest123:

  For the time being, I want to stay at the level I'm at--really don't want to start buying balls, at least for now.

  It's clubs first, then the balls...

   

  Congrats to your promotion!

• Robert1893 7,729 Posts

  Sun, Apr 2 2017 10:04 AM

  AugustWest123:

  My question is this: for you guys who know this stuff (way over my head), am I safe if I don't go under -2 for every 9 I play in terms of keeping my score above 67.0?

  
  
  The only thing I have to add to the above comments is that it's your absolute score that matters in calculating your running average, not the score in relation to par. In other words, for average, you should not be focusing on + par. It's the actual score that matters.
  
  And the reason is that -2 for 9 holes will be a different score, depending on the course. For some courses, it will be a 34, which translates into a 68 average. For another course, it could be as low as 32, which translates to a 64 average.
  
  You might want to just keep that in mind when calculating your average for stroke play rounds that count toward average.

• AugustWest123 15 Posts

  Sun, Apr 2 2017 4:52 PM

  Lonnie.

   

  I get your points, they are good ones and I agree, to a certain extent.

  It's definitely the ball factor and the fact that I don't want to buy balls with money or credits by watching videos, it's as simple as that.

  I also don't want to invest any more money in any more clubs--so there's that too.

  And so I find myself in the position of wanting to play at the level I'm at because I'm thinking it wouldn't be a lot of fun playing with the clubs I have and the balls I use at a higher level.

  If you think it's lame I'm don't want to play at the next level Tees with the balls and clubs I have and just take the hit in terms of the level of enjoyment, I'm okay with that.  I can understand people criticizing that.  Maybe people think 'hey if you play this game, you have to be willing to do those other things like watching vids or paying money for better clubs and if you aren't willing to do that, then it's on you to accept the consequences--that being playing rounds that may not be too much fun.

  As an aside, when I forfeit, I explain why I'm doing it on the 9th hole and, so far, the matches have been decided by then, but I also get that criticism too, in fact that's the one that hits home most to me, now that you mention it.

  I guess it's moot now because I drained something like a 90 footer on the 9th hole yesterday, (not sure why I was even rolling the dice like that) and the eagle got me to -4 and in the Master level.

  I am kind of bummed but whatever, I'll see what it's like.

  Lastly, the thing I find pathetic is two fold: first, people quitting whatever 9 or 18 they are playing with others because they are playing badly or had a bad hole.  Why do people do this?  Just finish the round you signed up for, no matter how you're playing, right?  People just quit round after round until they happen on a round where they play well?  And they are able to go to bed at night?       :)

  Second and even more vexing and confusing to me is why people have to disconnect when they play in this lame manner instead of forfeiting.  The former making everyone having to wait 2 minutes or whatever the time period is.

  I know I'm a newbie in this game but I don't get that.  I assume it makes no difference one way or another regarding your score so it's just simple inconsideration?

  Or maybe there's something else I'm not getting.

  Anyways...I appreciate the feedback, all.

   

• garyk49 2,333 Posts

  Mon, Apr 3 2017 4:46 AM

  AugustWest123:

  Lonnie.

  I get your points, they are good ones and I agree, to a certain extent.

  No, you didn't

  A quitter is a quitter is a quitter.  Whether you explained to the players you were playing with.  Whether you were having a good round.  Whether you were winning or losing, it makes no difference.  You will get labled as a quitter, sooner if not later.

  You say you can't understand the people that disconnect, because they are having a poor round.  Those same people will also disconnect when they are having a good round.  Why you asked, simple, to protect their average.  Sound familiar.

  You quittting for whatever reason, is the same as the people you say you don't understand.  Trust most of us here.  It doesn't take long for you to have that lable around your neck.

  Ever pay attention to your color when joining a multiplayer game?  You start as green, quit some and you change to yellow, quit a lot and you change to red.  Most of the time only green is allowed to join.  Are you getting the picture.

  As Lonnie said, if you want to be able to quit a game then play singleplayer.  That way you have absolutely no effect on anyone else except your game.

   

• alosso 21,088 Posts

  Mon, Apr 3 2017 5:24 AM

  +100 Gary!

• AugustWest123 15 Posts

  Mon, Apr 3 2017 10:15 AM

  I 'get' the points doesn't mean I agree with them.  It means I understand the argument.

   

  The quitting the game in the middle of the round part is annoying because the person disconnects and makes everyone wait.  If they simply forfeited, it would be fine, it would have no adverse effect on anyone...no waiting, no disruption, the only loss is the person leaving.  For me, I don't see any problem with it. I've never done that but it wouldn't bother me if someone else did it.  It's not a big deal at all unless it's only two people playing and then the person is left on their own.

   

  Like I said, I've never quite in the middle of a round.  I've recently forfeited on the very last putt.  I see a difference in someone forfeiting on their last putt compared to someone disconnecting because they have a bad freaking hole, but you are obviously more than welcome to see it differently than I do, that's what makes America great-- (or it used to before the stupidity that's going on now  :)  .  And it's not like I have a closed mind on the subject, I'm listening to the arguments from you guys and taking them all in. I've only been playing this game since December so it's not like I have REAL strong opinions on this stuff that are cemented in concrete. 

   

  But this is where I'm at right now.

   

   

• lonniescott711 4,207 Posts

  Mon, Apr 3 2017 11:27 AM

  Well August the bottom line is very simple . Those who play with friends never worry about their average or tiering up and neither do those who play for fun . You cant legitimize your reason for quitting during a round when playing with others . If tiering up bothers you that much then play stroke play practice rounds . The scores will never affect your average and cause you to tier up .

  You will how ever increase in levels so you can also upgrade your clubs if you want to . Also in practice mode you can play from different tees change the wind and green speeds as well . Also in practice stroke play you can use the mulligan and play shots over as much as you want . So there you go the best way out and no one will ever be offended .