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Mastering game used to take years

• DonCaron 5,502 Posts

  Tue, Feb 20 2018 4:00 PM

  AgentBrown123:

  That's not true at all.

  You have to realize, if people are willing to have multi accounts, it doesn't mean they just have one other account.

  Many probably have 2 3 4 and more accounts and keep their credits spread out. One gets closed and no big deal, they open a new one and give the new account credits to buy clubs from one of their other dual accounts.

  We see it all the time recruiting. I'll come across clubs with player names almost identical.

  Hacks, Amatuers or Pros shooting 62's with only 10 rounds in. I report them when I see them.

   

• BobApollo 2,039 Posts

  Tue, Feb 20 2018 8:47 PM

  I don't know how this would play out.  

  What if those suspected "false players" were written up in a WGT Forum post.  Perhaps in this forum post.  Other real WGT players could see the names of these "false players" and individually also report them to the management.

  Would those reports matter?  Maybe all this would amount to nothing with the "false players" being safe and playing away.

   All this does add more time for us doing things on WGT, trying to make the site better. As players we still need the support and action that only the management can carry out.

• Wutpa 4,803 Posts

  Wed, Feb 21 2018 9:55 AM

  BobApollo:

  I don't know how this would play out.  

  What if those suspected "false players" were written up in a WGT Forum post.  Perhaps in this forum post.  Other real WGT players could see the names of these "false players" and individually also report them to the management.

  I'm sure you already know it's against the T&C to name other players in the forum, especially to effectively accuse them of cheating/multi-accounting based on suspicions, however well-founded those suspicions might be.

  The thread would be shut down pronto, that's how it would play out.

• 1,866 Posts

  Wed, Feb 21 2018 12:29 PM

  YankeeJim:

  kensabre10:

  not to mention the many many plants they have. plyers who realy are either dummy fake individuals or employees scoring automatically so real players cant win their bogus credits. just happened to me on a ready go

  Really now. And you know this how?

  Ken's favourite pastime is talking about things he doesn't know fuckall about. Just trying to emulate his favourite president, I'd guess...

   

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Wed, Feb 21 2018 1:02 PM

  mkrizan86:

  YankeeJim:

  kensabre10:

  not to mention the many many plants they have. plyers who realy are either dummy fake individuals or employees scoring automatically so real players cant win their bogus credits. just happened to me on a ready go

  Really now. And you know this how?

  Ken's favourite pastime is talking about things he doesn't know fuckall about. Just trying to emulate his favourite president, I'd guess...

   

  Ok "dummy fake individuals" I could just about let go but if you're suggesting the current incumbent talks about "things he doesn't know fuckall about" then things have gone too far ;-)

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Wed, Feb 21 2018 1:27 PM

  Everything is set up for new players to progress quickly. Free rentals every time they level up & set of the week tournaments mean that they don't have to buy anything to shoot a decent score. Everyone remembers how hard it was when we started 5/6/7 years ago. It's not like that now. It's easy for gamers to pick the game up quickly.

• el3n1 4,502 Posts

  Wed, Feb 21 2018 4:13 PM

  It seems some of the issues are a bit more suspect than others.  Some players, especially restarters or multi account's can really work the system they know how to do it.  But, they have to work around WGT "general guidelines"... for the most part.

  But when they circumvent WGT and either exploit or work around those guidelines it become a much more questionable act ethically.  People will debate that because some people have no qualms or ethical principles they follow so they will do what ever they want and justify it any way they want to.  

  It doesn't make it valid or mean they are complying with the guidelines set.  I came across a player the other night with a L55 driver and L54 irons while only being a L49 player.  He claims he purchased the items as part of a bundle deal, but I have never known of WGT to sale equipment to a player unless they were of a sufficient level.  I could be wrong.  This person has been playing for less than 2 months start date was in Jan of 2018 and these were their very first 3 ranked rounds played...

  01.05.18	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Back 9	Hack	34
  01.04.18	Chambers Bay	Back 9	Hack	30
  01.04.18	Pebble Beach Golf Links	Back 9	Hack	33

  If WGT is allowing this, then WGT is perpetuating the very problem they are suppose to be minimizes or restricting from happening.  

  It isn't simply the equipment, it is the means that these players have to move up the levels so quickly to reacquire equipment or purchase equipment even before they have reached an appropriate level.  These are issues WGT does have control over so even if they do take action against someone "cheating" or restarting that player has a fast track to get back in the game and do the same thing, while they continue to "win" or "clean up credits" in the lower tier credit tournaments.  

  It seems problematic on multiple levels without an easy solution.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Feb 21 2018 4:20 PM

  el3n1:

  If WGT is allowing this, then WGT is perpetuating the very problem they are suppose to be minimizes or restricting from happening.

  
  Perpetuating a cash flow while fending off the howls of "unfair" isn't likely to change. You could almost say that's a business plan, of sorts.  Whatever fills the till. LOL

• el3n1 4,502 Posts

  Wed, Feb 21 2018 4:51 PM

  YankeeJim:

  Perpetuating a cash flow while fending off the howls of "unfair" isn't likely to change.

  I get that, but if such logic is valid then profit at any and all costs is ok.  I don't think that is their plan.  Yes, they want to make money, but they also know that if cheating becomes so rampant and pervasive that it corrupts the entire gaming experience for the majority of players they know it can jeopardize what does work.  

  I am not saying they are perfect, but I also don't want to assume the worst either.  For example, if a crooked mechanic is discovered doing shoddy work and exploiting his costumers his business could fail if that information comes out that it is part of his business model.  If it was a mistake or happened inadvertently, he can recover.

  I would like to think, WGT does try to restrict or limit or take some action but we simply don't always know that because they can't disclose the results of an investigation.  The problem is they can't necessarily stop a person whose account was closed resurfacing....

  But they can control or prevent such players from having the "opportunity" to manipulate their own structures that require players to level and tier up normally.  Again, the challenge is these players also know how to avoid leveling up or restricting their ranked round play to stay at the lower levels longer and win more credits, which then allows them to buy the better clubs without spending any of their own money!  This vicious cycle actually has a greater effect on those who are paying money and putting money into the game and if their experience is not remaining a good one and they leave then it seems WGT could be losing money in the long run because these other players are not putting money into the game but preying on those that are....

  Fortunately, while the problems exists and can be seen they are not so pervasive that it has completely broken the system because enough players continue to play and spend money.  If those percentages shift and the players exploiting the system have a negative impact on the profit margin then sweeping changes are more likely to be made, but until then as you say...it is unlikely to change...