yankee jim: yea, i know i get suckered into verbal, and other types of fights all the time. maybe in my waneing years i should temper my outlook, but dang it, i can;t. it is not in me to just sit by and watch people rave, rant, mis-behave, revert to thier chilhood, be an intelectual bully. it is beyond my capacity. i thank you for your words. by the way i do need that nickel. i seem to throw away quite a few. lol.