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On Becomeing a Tour Champion

• Robert1893 7,728 Posts

  Sat, Jul 20 2019 3:35 PM

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• Viking772 16 Posts

  Mon, Nov 11 2019 8:40 AM

  All, 

  You may already have learned this:

  You saturate as Champion at 1000 countable ranked rounds.

  Tour Champion comes after the 1000 CRR and a 54.999 average.

  I'm not convinced the 54.999 can be reached without manipulating short tee rounds. Because of this I  believe it taints thetier ranking of Tour Champion. My perspective only.

  Viking772 

• alosso 21,077 Posts

  Mon, Nov 11 2019 10:35 PM

  LMFTFY:

  Viking772:

  You saturate as Champion at 1000 countable ranked rounds.

  Tour Champion comes after the 1000 CRR and at a 55.000 average.

  assumingly, since all the lower promotions come at the full number.

  Point is, 55.001 won't suffice, but you'll see it as 55.00 in the average display, while 54.999 would have the same display.

• JDGHOST 6,890 Posts

  Tue, Nov 12 2019 4:50 AM

  JDGHOST:

  Viking772:

  Please let me toss my two cents into this discussion:

  I went Champion this past February.  As of today I have played around 600 ranked rounds and my average sits at 57.77.  I have NOT saturated - my scoring average will still elevate when I shoot a score higher than 57.77.  Of this I am certain.

  It is my expectation that I will saturate around 750 ranked rounds as a Champion since this was the number of rounds required to go from Tour Legend to Champion post December 2018.

  At 600 ranked rounds I can also confirm that it is extremely difficult to lower my current scoring average of 57.77 due to such a high number of rounds being used in the calculation.  

  I had been searching for someone who can confirm what the actual number of ranked rounds is required at Champion tier to fully saturate.

  Thanks for listening!

  Viking772

  This is depressing news!!!  I to just reached Champ about a month ago and have played about 100 rounds and am BARELY keeping my average at 57.37 ....The grind from TL to Champ was long indeed.... So when I "Thought" it was only 200 ranked rounds to saturate at Champ I was relieved to say the least....

  Now it's not that I'm in this huge hurry to make Tour Champ its just nice to be saturated without worrying about a few 3 or 4 under nine hole rounds constantly driving average up LOL Because it seems to me that 3 great rounds like 9 or 10 under are undone by 1 round of 2 or 3 under.....Sigh oh well down the long road to Grindsville I head!!  

  Update 4 months later.....I am 100% sure that I am over 750 "Ranked Round" at Champion ...And NO saturation so as stated it has to be the 1000  number being suggested.My average has climbed a full stoke since 7/19 (mostly due to clashes in tough conditions LOL) But thought I would chime in and confirm the 1000 number....

  JD

• DonCaron 5,502 Posts

  Tue, Nov 12 2019 5:27 AM

  Good to Know. I'm saturated at TL and Champion is next, a long haul awaits.

• JDGHOST 6,890 Posts

  Sat, Nov 16 2019 9:52 AM

  Ok ....Not to beat a dead horse BUT,,,,,I "THINK" I have finally saturated at Champion but here's the deal my average now seems frozen at 58.45 I had a few "bad" rounds in a row and was excited to notice it had stopped going up (and with those scores it sure should have!!) Then I went low low for a few rounds was prepared to FINALLY see it start the long long descent down to the magic number to TC....But nope no movement....Now I have played another 10 ranked rounds or so with "ZERO" movement not even a .01 (Which I have never seen)....So just confuzzeled at this point  lol

  JD

• TopShelf2010 10,952 Posts

  Sat, Nov 16 2019 10:20 AM

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• JDGHOST 6,890 Posts

  Sat, Nov 16 2019 3:30 PM

  TopShelf2010:

  JDGHOST:

  but here's the deal my average now seems frozen

  Unless I am mistaken, as a Champion, you will need (for example) to shoot 28's or lower in order to see movement. And even then it is only the slightest of movements... right around .01 for a 27.

  Something to that effect anyway. I cannot recall the exact numbers off the top of my head.

   

  Don

  Well Don.....I went down to .44 than shot a 6 under and POOF back up to .45  lol so much for the saturation.....

  JD (BTW did you ever get my PM?? In response to your PM)

• TopShelf2010 10,952 Posts

  Sat, Nov 16 2019 3:38 PM

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• alosso 21,077 Posts

  Sat, Nov 16 2019 11:39 PM

  JDGHOST:

  I went down to .44 than shot a 6 under and POOF back up to .45  lol so much for the saturation.....

  Good to hear that the freeze is over!

  When a player approaches L, TL or C saturation, the law of the big number becomes dominant. Any single extraordinary score's impact is limited by the number of scores in the denominator, 800. 900, up to 999 for Cs.

  After 900 scores, any score within 8 strokes of the average may disappear in the two-digit display, because 8/900 = 0.0089 might be eliminated by rounding. That said, your recent 24 = 48 should have moved the average.

  Consider to shoot a 100 under averaging conditions to see a real jump of the average - .05 up! It would also help to discover saturation, because, on it's elimination by score #1001, an equivalent jump down would happen!

  And it costs you only one round towards promotion...