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• GIMMMEEE 224 Posts

  Sun, Oct 9 2011 7:32 AM

  Its a game of chance at the best of times, n I think its all fair in the long run.. .. and I play only the heavy winded RG's,, ,, ,, Some days its blowing your way, some days not.. .. my last game at St. A's back 9 RG was looking very ordinary with the wind against me on 8 of the 9 holes, even after the first 5 holes I was even with the card, but if you hang in there the ball can run your way,,, I ended up -4,, ,, ,, IMO, great game, don't change it.......!

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Sun, Oct 9 2011 7:44 AM

  andyson:

  WGTicon:

  setting same winds for every hole is simply unrealistic and will be used, when friends share winds and tailor clubs for it (ie adding 4th wedge and dropping driver).

  Easily overcome IMO.  Enhance the single play premium tournaments by publishing a "weather forecast" which is available after a player enters and shows the wind on every hole.  Adds a bit of strategy to the game I'd think.

  Everyone who enters gets the same winds and the same information.

   

  People would not start entering tournements untill nearly filled. The first person to enter would have "random" wind, but then after that, it wouldn't take it long for close friends who have entered first to post what winds are for what hole.  I know it would not make a difference as every one's wind is the same, but what if it was you who plays first, (as icon mentioned) then find out you didn't need your wood after all, and could have gone for extra accuraccy in extra wedge. Or on hole #7 your not sure if the wind is 9 o'clock or 7 o'clock due to the camera angles, a typical scenario we get that makes you underhit or over hit, if the winds were published, you would know exactly what wind it was and could take shot accordingly and the "on the spot" decision would be taken away.

  Personally i would hate it if there was a list with every hole's wind direction & speed, takes the challenge and the fun in pulling off a good shot away if you knew what was coming.  Miss judging South westerly's with say side wind is one of the things that messes up my shots most.

  Random winds = random scoring which is much more fun and much more challenging.  I bet it evens itself out in the end.  Like today on #17th i had right left wind, but yesterday i had headwind, but yesterday i got favourable headwind on #8th, and tailwind today. But i scored better today with "tough" wind conditions (headwind on the shorter par 4's) than i did yesterday with "easy" wind conditions.

   

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sun, Oct 9 2011 8:43 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  People would not start entering tournements untill nearly filled. The first person to enter would have "random" wind, but then after that, it wouldn't take it long for close friends who have entered first to post what winds are for what hole.  I know it would not make a difference as every one's wind is the same, but what if it was you who plays first, (as icon mentioned) then find out you didn't need your wood after all, and could have gone for extra accuraccy in extra wedge.

  That's WGTIcon's point, not mine.  Publishing winds on every hole for everyone to see eliminates cliques sharing wind info.

  chrisironsbones:

  Personally i would hate it if there was a list with every hole's wind direction & speed, takes the challenge and the fun in pulling off a good shot away if you knew what was coming.  Miss judging South westerly's with say side wind is one of the things that messes up my shots most.

  Wouldn't want to diminish your challenge and fun, Close your eyes when the winds on each hole  are shown!  ;>)

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Sun, Oct 9 2011 9:54 AM

  WGT, stop listening to "same wind for all" posts, and keep the tournaments RANDOM WIND.  Its the same for every one.  You feel good when you get favourable wind and bad if you get harsh wind conditions on a particular hole. It will all even itself out in the end.(you win some' and you loose some)

  its going to spoil it when you're having a decent round and are on the edge, you've just birdied 16th at St andy's and you wait and see what wind is awaiting you is it north easterly, or is it strong south westerly???? That's part of the excitement, how dull would it be if you were on hole#1 and you knew before hand what to expect all round

  What will be next after knowing before hand what wind is for what hole, caddy telling you what club to take and how much to ease off the power bar?? lol ☺

• ForrestLeigh 264 Posts

  Sun, Oct 9 2011 11:09 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  WGT, stop listening to "same wind for all" posts, and keep the tournaments RANDOM WIND.  Its the same for every one.  You feel good when you get favourable wind and bad if you get harsh wind conditions on a particular hole. It will all even itself out in the end.(you win some' and you loose some)

  its going to spoil it when you're having a decent round and are on the edge, you've just birdied 16th at St andy's and you wait and see what wind is awaiting you is it north easterly, or is it strong south westerly???? That's part of the excitement, how dull would it be if you were on hole#1 and you knew before hand what to expect all round

  What will be next after knowing before hand what wind is for what hole, caddy telling you what club to take and how much to ease off the power bar?? lol ☺

  yep I  bet all those pro golfers playing at St Andrews just keep wondering what the wind is going to be when they get to the 17th - and hey, maybe the players in the hutch are muzzled, have their mobiles taken away, just in case they spread the news about the wind

  And who are you to tell WGT to ignore all the 'change the wind' posts - everyone is entitled to an opinion, yours isn't the only one here

  I would like uniform winds, as would some others, I think it makes a mockery of this game when I know that I had c**p winds and struggled to post a good score, and that someone else had good winds and no matter what I did I couldn't win

  That idea - it evens itself out is a poor excuse for keeping it the same, that reasoning only works if everything was always the same, ie, you don't get a penalty when you're second in the league playing the top team in the last minute to win the game, but you get a penalty against the bottom team when you're winning 4-0 already

  Here you could be in contention in a major - you get really really bad winds and finish second, the winner hits 56 and comes from no-where, and you find out they got helpful winds on 90% of the holes, how is that fair?

  Its not going to change, we know that, but that does not stop a growing band of people believing that it should

   

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Sun, Oct 9 2011 4:19 PM

  Clearly I agree with ForrestLeigh.  Some of the usually insightful posters here mustn't have actually read what they were posting?  "Knowing the wind would be bad".  Every golfer in real life knows the wind when they're waiting at the first to tee off for goodness sake.  If it was going to be "bad" to have pretty uniform winds in single plays then "low wind" tournie's would be "bad" on some of the courses as they are pretty insignificant.

  One only has to look at the spread of scores in light wind RG's to heavy wind RG's to know that it is a lottery issue.  Light wind tournies are tighter because the wind is less critical to scoring.  The cream rises to the top.

  But, if the majority prefer a lottery and WGT feel it is best in "the most realistic" golf game on the web, so be it.

• GIMMMEEE 224 Posts

  Sun, Oct 9 2011 7:46 PM

  Ecka65:

  One only has to look at the spread of scores in light wind RG's to heavy wind RG's to know that it is a lottery issue.  Light wind tournies are tighter because the wind is less critical to scoring.  The cream rises to the top.

  Anyone can shoot low in light winds, providing there holding a club in there hands.. .. .. thus I'm a little perplexed where the cream was whipped up from..???

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Sun, Oct 9 2011 11:04 PM

  The point is, to win in low winds requires an extra good score - because as you say, apparantly anyone can shoot low in low winds.

  You've been playing plenty long enough Gim to know that a high wind assisted score can be far lower than a low wind score.  Get the right winds and you get eagle putts.  Eagle opportunities that many of your competitors won't get.

• GIMMMEEE 224 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 2:02 AM

  Ecka65:

  Get the right winds and you get eagle putts.  Eagle opportunities that many of your competitors won't get.

  I played a Monthly Multi tournament back in August n was heading for a comfortable win coming down to the last 9 holes, trouble was the winds (Heavy) were against me, not directly but on angles that were deceptive, n I lost easily.. .. .. took me weeks to get over it, n I was cursing everyone.  At the end of the day it came down to me not being good enough to handle it......    I can see where your coming from Ecka, but I cant see that one person can have sole benefit to Heavy Wind conditions 'all the time', so to my way of thinking it all pans out in the end,,, the key may well be to get use to heavy conditions, thus becoming a better player.........

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 2:44 AM

  GIMMMEEE:

   I can see where your coming from Ecka, but I cant see that one person can have sole benefit to Heavy Wind conditions 'all the time', so to my way of thinking it all pans out in the end,,, the key may well be to get use to heavy conditions, thus becoming a better player.........

  Hehehe, don't worry, I can play in heavy fine.  That's isn't nor has it ever been my concern.  But it is a big assumption that it will "all pan out in the end".  (a) there is no guarantee it will, and (b) will you get your "good" one's mucking around or when you're playing for the Premium tournament that cost you 500 to enter?  I know which one I'd prefer to "pan out" my way.