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• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 3:59 AM

  GIMMMEEE:

  I played a Monthly Multi tournament back in August n was heading for a comfortable win coming down to the last 9 holes, trouble was the winds (Heavy) were against me, not directly but on angles that were deceptive, n I lost easily.. ..

  This is what i'm trying to point out, the beauty of this game is getting a wind angle which is as you say DECEPTIVE, if you get it right you can birdie, but get it wrong and its 6 yards past or short and your'e left cursing.  This is what i want to keep in tournaments, not a fixed wind for all pattern, and as mentioned as well a pre tournament weather forecast??

  This will take realism away and the word will be spread about that deceptive wind to what direction and angle it REALLY IS, giving the later players an easier chance to birdie (as the first players will have let us all know, by post or by message).

  I know its unfair having 1 guy have unfavourable winds but the other has nice scoring winds, but IT DOES even itself out, for example i win one day, but next day i withdraw due to not scoring well and bad winds.  

  I know this is not real life, but WGT are trying their best to make it real, so a consistant wind for all is just not realistic but random winds does give it a bit of realism (the best they can)

  Concentrate on your own game's rather than worry how favourable or unfavourable winds others got.  Its the same for us all, EVERYTHING IS RANDOM!

  You could land in rough in a challenge match, your opponent lands next to you, you get 25% rough, but your opponent might get 40% rough, would you want this to be fair aswell, and have both your rough match??

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 4:12 AM

  Do you actually play much real golf Chris?  Competitions, match play etc?  To keep things your view of "realistic", do you insist your playing partners put blind folds on when you play before them?  Heaven forbid they might see what the wind is doing above the treeline.  Do they turn away when you putt so as not to see the lines and speed?  Do you???

  Because according to what you've written, real golf is VERY unrealistic.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 4:21 AM

  Ecka65:

  Because according to what you've written, real golf is VERY unrealistic.

  Where is mentioned that real golf is unrealistic? your reading things that are not there?

  Another example, i was playing ready go at st andy's now, on par #5 i could have sworn it was left right wind, maybe between 3 and 4 o'clock, i used iron instead of wood, and came up well short because wind was actually 5 o'clock.

  If i had entered the ready go, knowing the wind was actually 5 o'clock, not what i thought it was, (thanks to a kind friend informing me after his round) I would have played a wood, and might have eagled, giving me an extra score.

  And the mentioning of real golf (but didn't go in to enough detail then for you) was to show, (only talking about random conditions nothing else) that if i played in morning and it was pissing down with rain and a gale force wind (happens all the time in wales), you then play in afternoon, when sun has come out, you are going to score better than me, LUCKY YOU, its your day, and i get UNFAVOURABLE WINDS & RAIN so i loose. I would congratulate you on a good score, not expect you to wait until it starts to rain before you play your round so you can have my conditions.  that what wgt are probably trying to acheive with random conditions, it might be your day today, but mine tomorrow.  What's wrong with some obscure guy coming from no where to win a tournament for a change because he had favourable winds?  YOU CANT WIN THEM ALL!!!!!

• GIMMMEEE 224 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 4:39 AM

  Ecka65:

  Do you actually play much real golf Chris?  Competitions, match play etc?  To keep things your view of "realistic", do you insist your playing partners put blind folds on when you play before them?  Heaven forbid they might see what the wind is doing above the treeline. 

  I play a lot of real golf Ecka.. ..  .. So what if we use the 12 hour clock that we have at WGT n play for real within those hours, you hitting off at 8am n I at 5pm, would we have the same wind..???.. .. I doubt it.......    

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 4:41 AM

  GIMMMEEE:

  Ecka65:

  Do you actually play much real golf Chris?  Competitions, match play etc?  To keep things your view of "realistic", do you insist your playing partners put blind folds on when you play before them?  Heaven forbid they might see what the wind is doing above the treeline. 

  I play a lot of real golf Ecka.. ..  .. So what if we use the 12 hour clock that we have at WGT n play for real within those hours, you hitting off at 8am n I at 5pm, would we have the same wind..???.. .. I doubt it.......    

  THANK YOU SOME ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS!!!

  But if it was to happen (same wind for all) why not have 50% tournaments with same wind conditions, 50% tournaments with random winds, it would suit every one then, no complaints.LOL

   

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 5:14 AM

  LOL - start your real life comp rounds at 5 pm do you?  Forget the wind, you won't have the same daylight!

  But both of you are correct that the weather, and wind, can change from morning to afternoon.  Astonishingly, that's why multi round competitions reverse tee off times in real golf!  Same with the pro's in the first two rounds before the cut.  Well go figure!  lol  Perhaps you guys should get onto them and tell 'em they're wrong.

  And Chris, I've let this one go a couple of times but I'll say it now.  So you'd ask your friends about the wind before playing a WGT comp would you?  And they'd be dumb enoughto tell you?  On one hand you say you're all for the challenge, and then on the other you'd actively be seeking a dishonest edge.  Which is it?  My opinion of same advantage / disadvantage for all players is bad because you'd try and cheat it?  C'mon, I don't believe that to be true.  That can't be a good reason not to consider a way.

  I'm not talking EXACT.  As it stands, the wind is in a range.  It's the direction that is all over the place.  Perhaps if the wind was from the same quarter on each hole for each player.  The wind strength might vary - within the range - but it'd be coming from, say the north.  It could be N for me, NW for you, NE for Gimmee but it'll be from the North on that hole.  Next hole from the E and so on.  We could all probably argue that there might still be the odd advantage / disadvantage, but it would be NOWHERE near as profound as currently.

  My 2 bobs.

   

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 5:36 AM

  Ecka65:

  And Chris, I've let this one go a couple of times but I'll say it now.  So you'd ask your friends about the wind before playing a WGT comp would you?  And they'd be dumb enoughto tell you?  On one hand you say you're all for the challenge, and then on the other you'd actively be seeking a dishonest edge.  Which is it?  My opinion of same advantage / disadvantage for all players is bad because you'd try and cheat it.  Ahhh...

  You read my words and come up with a conclusion to suit yourself, which is totally wrong.  This is why i'm against the same wind for all, because some "close friends"( i just used myself as example of what would happen for simplicity because people seem to get the wrong end of the stick or find hidden meanings in my words) would confer the conditions to give themselves an advantage (mentioned earlier in thread also) so don't go accusing me of being a cheat and seeking a dishonest edge because i'm totally against the same wind conditions to stop this kind of thing happening but you make your own conclusions & twist my word to suit you .

  And as for asking friends about conditions i was quoting what has all ready been said earlier.

  And i mentioned 50/50% tournaments to stop you getting annoyed with me for having different opinion.  Go KIWIS! (no sorry, go Australia, easier competition for us in final.LOL)

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 5:38 AM

  WGTicon:

  hi

  in the long run=many tournaments played. this time you have 30 head on sta #9 and next time others have it and you have some helping tail.

  setting same winds for every hole is simply unrealistic and will be used, when friends share winds and tailor clubs for it (ie adding 4th wedge and dropping driver).

  -wgticon

  You see, are you going to call icon a CHEAT as well for mentioning it?????

• Ecka65 245 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 5:38 AM

  I edited my post Chris because it was disrespectful and frankly, trolling.  I apologise.  Please re-read that post now that I've screwed my head back on.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 5:41 AM

  Ecka65:

  I edited my post Chris because it was disrespectful and frankly, trolling.  I apologise.  Please re-read that post now that I've screwed my head back on.

  That's why i ended up saying 50%/50% (same wind & random wind ready go's or tournaments) we will all be happy..Nice 1, Ecka

  I'm off to finish my ready go, i mentioned earlier i was on hole#5, i'm still only on hole #7 LOL, this thread has taken up to much time as it is, thanks for replay's ecka.nice 1 again)

  15 birdies one bogey, 58, not bad for an interrupted round lol

  Having thought about it a bit more, there is no need for same wind conditions in medium winds, but high winds in virtual open only might be o.k where prizes are big, but ready go's no way. (unless its 50% same wind & 50% random wind) Hows that for a bit of compromise.