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• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:02 PM

  WGTicon:

  Hi everyone. NO, posting link is not OK either. There is no difference. Please email pictures to members@worldgolftour.com and let us handle it. -wgticon

  I have no problem whatsoever with the 'Do you work on your day off?" comment.  However, I feel the quoted comment above is an insult to every upstanding player here at WGT.  We have a RIGHT  to know who among us doesn't follow the rules.  In fact, if this player is kept secret  due to WGT's inane and ridiculous rules and treats another player this way, WGT will actually be aiding and abetting sexual harassment.  They post signs or door markers on the property of pedophiles for a reason.  WGT's female players have a right to know, by name, who is likely to treat them as such.

   

  It's a shame I enjoy playing so much (and have no life).  I think a boycott of spending at WGT until they greatly increase their transparency to the people that keep them in business would be a great idea at this point.  They act like they want to keep the rule breakers a secret from the people that keep them in business.

• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:07 PM

  SgtDoodles:

  Sorry, I live in the UK. Normal work day over here. I got my hopes up too high ;)

  perhaps I should have worded differnetly...

  we always try to reply asap  and lately our turnaround has been much better.

  -wgticon

• helen1972 347 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:08 PM

  WOW,

  I never expected all this commotion, lol

  Lets get some perspective here, I was 2 down in an alternate match, it has to be a persons personal choice whether to concede or not, I chose not to, but that surely does not give anyone the right to so abusive ! the use of that word " whore " is the issue here !

  As for WGTicon getting back to me, I know he will when he gets the time, all I ask is that WGT deals with this in an appropriate manner, this is a golden opportunity for the powers that be to send a firm and clear message to all players who act in this manner, and be honest, most of us have come across abuse in some form at some time or other.

  May I reiterate my thanks for all your messages of support once again, tyvm,

  Helen.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:15 PM

  JaLaBar:

  f this player is kept secret  due to WGT's inane and ridiculous rules and treats another player this way, WGT will actually be aiding and abetting sexual harassment.

   Aiding and abetting sexual harassment??!! And to prevent this you'd stigmatize a "likely" individual? That sounds a little inane and ridiculous and is a bit of a stretch, IMO.

   

• imperialrock 217 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:19 PM

  I am the player who made the comment directed at the Original Poster.  

  My actions were without excuse and I understand that they will not/should not be tolerated here or elsewhere.  

  As far as the poster who mentioned "deeper issues", you are right - - I've not been kind or gracious with my words or attitude on this site on more than one occasion, this just happened to be an outstanding horrible decision on my part.  Your comment was blunt, but it was also accurate.

  I am not asking for forgiveness, understanding, or to "have my side heard".  I have no defendable side in this, so I will not act as though I do.  I also fully understand that based on my comment, it is likely that I won't be allowed to play on this site again in the future.  I think that is fair - - had someone been that crass toward me, I would not want them to be allowed to play, either.

  While I won't "ask" WGT to terminate my account, I completely understand that based on the T&C, they're within their right to do so, and I will not resist that action from them.

  +++ The Following is meant for the Original Poster:

  Helen, I do not expect you to forgive me based on what I said.  The circumstances of the game are irrelevant - my comments are without excuse.  I do, however, want you to know that your prompt action in reporting this has been a chance for me to re-evaluate how I treat people in general.  No one should be called what I called you.  Certainly no one should be called that name or anything similar based on a game.  I apologize to you for what I called you, because I know that it wasn't a simple matter of calling you a name in a game - - it must have hurt you far beyond the game, you may even still be hurting now.  For that I am sorry.

  I also apologize to the community at large - - there's no reason that any of you should have had to post in this thread, because this kind of lacking sportsmanship should never have happened.  You've built a respectful, kind community, and I damaged that community last night.  The responsibility for that is on me.

  I understand that apologies are not erasers of past action.  What I did stands as one of the worst things I've done/said to anyone, ever.  At this point I am accepting responsibility for what I did, and that is all.

  My deepest apologies to Helen and the WGT Community at large.

• Mesmorizer 614 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:22 PM

  JaLaBar:

  Mesmorizer:

  Two wrongs dont make a right but sometimes stuff happens.

  Not conceding a putt is not a wrong.  Good for you if you choose to concede all putts inside a certain distance.  That is your personal preference.  Someone who doesn't play the way you choose to is not wrong.  It is their preference.

  And perhaps that player had not been putting well.  If I am playing someone who is putting like crap, I won't concede anything longer than a tap in.  Prove to me you can make them before I concede them.  Also, in a tight game, if it's a nasty green, it is perfectly acceptable to make them win the hole.

   

  LMAO how things get misunderstood when typing in forums. I fully agree with not conceeding a putt as everygame has things happen. My point is a 6 inch putt is a gimme, and in most situations of Match/AS people would conceed the putt. If you dont want to conceed the putt, nothing is wrong with that. At begining of game say "I dont conceed any putts" and everyone is on the same page. Thats sportsmenship, if you dont conceed any putts but are willing to take the conceeds, that is not sportsmenship at least to me.

  But my intent was just to look at how to preventing things like this happen. The major point of the thread is the person was inapproprite in the way he spoke to the TS. I fully agree with that and people should not talk to anyone like that when playing. My point was just that a little sportsmenship can prevent stuff like this happening is all. Whatever the reason I have found being polite and sportsmen like online or real life helps alot.

  Mes.

• Yappy22 733 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:24 PM

  What a classy lady. Lets hope WGT dosen't put profits above the right thing to do and get rid of this creep. I didn't know if you didn't concede a putt you were considered  a rude inconsiderate player......learn something new every day.  Good Luck with your game Helen.

• Alton99 9 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:29 PM

  Does the WGT Community wish for WGT to accept every shot that lands within 2 feet of the hole as being in the hole???  If you are in a Live Golf Tournament such as on Television, it looks normal to complete the hole by sinking the ball.  

   

• lee22sharon 1,419 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:30 PM

  Mesmorizer:

  I have seen the chat log and although I admit the comment was tasteless, I would like to point out the chat log shows your lack of respect as well. Seriously a 6inch putt you wouldnt conceed? Had you played respectfully maybe the foul mouth bugger wouldnt have had a chance to be that way. Just a differant point of view, I by no means am trying to defend the player just saying maybe dont push people as your actions were disrespectful. His was just down right rude,  had you conceeded the putt would the comment had happened is all. Two wrongs dont make a right but sometimes stuff happens.

  i posed a question once in the forums about what the proper manner of concedeing a putt was.  i recieved various answers where given, i main point was to establish the distance, commenly 2 feet, prior to reaching the 1st green.  outside of that there was no given routine as to when, or even if you should concede!  based on those comments my personal choice is to each thier own, with NO distance being required.  my nickle.

   

• lee22sharon 1,419 Posts

  Mon, Oct 10 2011 1:35 PM

  Mesmorizer:

  Rickypro:

   

  I don't care if she had 10 putts in a row of 6 inches and didn't concede them.  That is no reason to talk to another person that way.  I guess I am getting old but that is part of the problem today.  There always has to be something that caused us to do something.  What about being nice in the first place??

   

   

  Actually you need to reread my post, I said exactly what you just said. I like your point what about being nice in the 1st place. She was not being nice in the 1st place or it may not have happened. Not conceeding a 6inch putt is being rude in the spirit of the game, at least in my opion. I do not and said it it my post defend the comments by the player as they are uncalled for in any situation but had she been nice in the 1st place, would it had happend? that all I am saying!

  Edit: For player above me whatever get a life and learn to read. Seriously dont go critizing my postion without at least considering it. If attacking me make you feel better then so be it. Go to her player profile and read the comments, she did notice and said she wasnt conceeding, Just a differant opion, lmao.

  do you concede 6 inch putts on St. A #2?  i don't.  many of those putts are missed.  should never concede a questionable putt only those that have no strong bearing on the outcome of the game.  my nickle.