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Sun, Oct 30 2011 4:38 PM (65 replies)
  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 5:29 AM

    Ecka65:

    Personally, I think they have the possible deviations set too high.

    It isn't that the wind "goes away", or that the ball is uncannily attracted to water per se.  The deviation pushes the shot so offline that the wind can't blow it back.  Or alternatively, a downwind shot goes "normal" distance, or a headwind shot goes "normal" distance seemingly unaffected by the wind.

    Interesting take and quite plausible.

  • GIMMMEEE
    224 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 5:45 AM

    LizzieRossetti:

    Sole mate my luverr. ( That's westcountry dialect btw)

    And to the fellow who thought it a serious proposition to swap balls where we thought we might lose a paid for ball  -  it wasn't. And judging by Priestess' likkle smiley, I don't suppose she thought it was either. Sheesh..men lol :-)

     

    Lizzie xx

    Ello ello.. .. seems we ave Mrs. Professor Higgins online,,, wunda if its Eliza..?  Go oooon with ya darls, neva taaake a sheila serious ya know.. .. .. time for a cuppa teeeeee now........

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 6:00 AM

    There is a problem with the 'Burner Irons' when you ding your shot. This might sound stupid to alot of people, but I have found if I ding the irons, they will either go straight to towards the pin, allowing the wind to carry it away (not where you aimed it) or strange things like this can happen, where the ball will go in a direction unknown...lol.

    Actually, I'm curious at what Lie the golf ball was sitting on... just thinking if Wgt is secretly testing out something new...hmm...lol. 

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 6:28 AM

    mantis0014:
    There is a problem with the 'Burner Irons' when you ding your shot. This might sound stupid to alot of people, but I have found if I ding the irons, they will either go straight to towards the pin, allowing the wind to carry it away (not where you aimed it) or strange things like this can happen, where the ball will go in a direction unknown

    I don't know if it's a problem with the irons but I see this too. Sometimes a ding gets a wtf reaction that's hard to swallow. My thinking is that by dinging a shot you bring the entire deviation range into play-the good plus the bad. Supposedly, the better the equipment, the better the result. But when you catch an extreme deviation you get the wtf. However, barely missing on the upwind side (like a pixel or 2) seems to yield more realistic results.

    Imagine the ball coming straight down on top of a triangle. A perfect line would hit the top of the triangle and either sit there, roll down the left side or roll down the right side. If deviation is random you have a chance of rolling down either side when it hits the top of the triangle perfectly. However, if that ball comes down anyway off center it's pretty much guaranteed to roll down the side it came down on.

    Now, since the ball is not likely to sit on top of a point, flatten the top of the triangle by whatever you want-ball width or whatever. There's where the ball lands on a ding and stays put. The wind variable enters the scenario and you can see what would happen.

    None of this pie in the sky theory explains the OP's situation. It defied logic unless he caught the worst maximum deviation, whatever that is.

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 7:02 AM

    YankeeJim:

    Imagine the ball coming straight down on top of a triangle. A perfect line would hit the top of the triangle and either sit there, roll down the left side or roll down the right side. If deviation is random you have a chance of rolling down either side when it hits the top of the triangle perfectly. However, if that ball comes down anyway off center it's pretty much guaranteed to roll down the side it came down on.

    Now, since the ball is not likely to sit on top of a point, flatten the top of the triangle by whatever you want-ball width or whatever. There's where the ball lands on a ding and stays put. The wind variable enters the scenario and you can see what would happen.

    Or in simpler terms here's what Jim is saying:

     

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 7:20 AM

    Erm, you have your variables transposed in the middle hoop.  ;-)

  • CanineSupervisor
    1,882 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 7:54 AM

    I think what Andy is trying to explain, is this:

     

     For a constant mass m, Newton's second law looks like:

    F = m * (V1 - V0) / (t1 - t0)

     

    The change in velocity divided by the change in time is the definition of the acceleration a. The second law then reduces to the more familiar product of a mass and an acceleration:

    F = m * a

    Remember that this relation is only good for objects that have a constant mass (i.e: golf balls). This equation tells us that an object subjected to an external force will accelerate and that the amount of the acceleration is proportional to the size of the force. The amount of acceleration is also inversely proportional to the mass of the object; for equal forces, a heavier object will experience less acceleration than a lighter object. Considering the momentum equation, a force causes a change in velocity; and likewise, a change in velocity generates a force.

    I hope this helps the OP.

     

  • LizzieRossetti
    1,545 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 8:25 AM

    I'm not sure it will help the OP, but it helps me CS, I have been trying for simply ages to judge precisely how to aim the Black Widow so that my victims are stung viciously, without causing permanent damage since the local Bobby in the Village seems to think it inappropriate, at least judging by his knocking on my door with his petty concerns for public safety. If you were to ask me, I would have to say that anyone who wanders advertant, or inadvertent into my line of sight, is fair game.

    Your theory however falls somewhat short I feel, in that I am not actually applying force, so much as Power, as defined by how far back I pull the leather sling and rubber strops. I wonder if you could proselitise for me, a formula which would work well enough under these circumstances?

    I have of course developed a technique whereby I am able to duck into cover following my shot, in an effort to deter yet another visit from the pesky Bobby. I just do need to work on holding in my snig gers and chortles now.

     

    Lizziexx

  • CanineSupervisor
    1,882 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 8:35 AM

    LizzieRossetti:
    . I wonder if you could proselitise for me, a formula which would work well enough under these circumstances?

     

    Lizzie, it would be an honor for me to attempt to calculate your "flinging widow" theorem for you. I will get to work on it immediately.

    I assume we need to take into account the loss of any fluids that the Latrodectus may lose during her flight. Should be rather simple to formulate after a visit to JPL to use their wind-tunnel.

    A formula shall be forthcoming.

     

    CS 

  • LizzieRossetti
    1,545 Posts
    Fri, Oct 28 2011 8:42 AM

    this is what I meaned Cs, not a actual spidery thing...

     

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