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• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Thu, Nov 3 2011 5:25 AM

  tiffer67:

  The concern is that WGT is continually milking it's existing customers for revenue, recyling the same products with that promise of just a small amount of extra benefit.

  This is what i mean, THE WGT CYCLE, the R11's are exactly the same now as how burners where when they first came out, wouldn't make much difference if you missed ding, but lately missing ding sends you any where, but the R11's are the same if you miss ding as how the burners USED to be.  Its a cycle, before long WGT will tamper with R11's accuracy etc etc, ready for the new G20;s or something similar, then the new clubs will come out and they will match how the R11's are today. Revenue $$ Revenue $$ Revenue $$,   Paying for the same new club which we had already bought in the first place except for different name..LOL.  But didn't stop me rushing out tio buy a set immediately though lol

  Yes the R11's are AWESOME irons, but so were the burners when they first came out.

• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Thu, Nov 3 2011 7:48 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  tiffer67:

  The concern is that WGT is continually milking it's existing customers for revenue, recyling the same products with that promise of just a small amount of extra benefit.

  This is what i mean, THE WGT CYCLE, the R11's are exactly the same now as how burners where when they first came out, wouldn't make much difference if you missed ding, but lately missing ding sends you any where, but the R11's are the same if you miss ding as how the burners USED to be.  Its a cycle, before long WGT will tamper with R11's accuracy etc etc, ready for the new G20;s or something similar, then the new clubs will come out and they will match how the R11's are today. Revenue $ Revenue $ Revenue $, and we are there getting MILKED.  Paying for the same new club which we had already bought in the first place except for different name..LOL

  Yes the R11's are AWESOME irons, but so were the burners when they first came out.

  The performance of burner's 2.0 was not changed as far as I know. Until you have actual prove, I would rather you not spread the rumors in every thread.

  -wgticon

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Thu, Nov 3 2011 8:12 AM

  Maybe they have or havn't, you han't noticed difference, but i certainly have (when missing ding especially opposite wind)i wont say no more except how brilliant the R11's are anyway, just like my old burners when they came out (but forgivness is amazing)

  But this is what terms and conditions state:

   

  ou acknowledge and agree that that in the course of providing this dynamic environment, WGT will, without providing notice, be making ongoing modifications and improvements to the Game Software from time to time in the course of the operation and development of the Site. Such changes may affect the performance and interaction of individual components of the games, performance of virtual items, contests and challenges available on the Site.

  In addition, you agree that WGT retains the sole and unfettered right to change, remove or modify the available virtual items from time to time (which may among other things make one or more virtual items more or less effective or functional, more common or less common, or eliminated entirely). You may not use, distribute, develop, promote or facilitate use of cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the WGT game experience to the detriment of fair play.

   

   

• sdorr 650 Posts

  Thu, Nov 3 2011 9:12 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  This is what i mean, THE WGT CYCLE, the R11's are exactly the same now as how burners where when they first came out

  You know, the funny thing here is that if I were to purchase the Burners 2.0 today, I would most likely think they were the greatest thing since sliced bread because I would never have known or noticed any difference. That is, of course, if there is any difference.

  Just saying that if WGT does tweak their "older" clubs" prior to the release of a new product, (which we will never know, of course), just makes sense to wait a couple of months before taking the plunge, that way one will never know how good they once had it.

  chrisironsbones:

  Yes the R11's are AWESOME irons, but so were the burners when they first came out.

• williamricker 3,222 Posts

  Thu, Nov 3 2011 11:06 AM

  tiffer67:

  The concern is that WGT is continually milking it's existing customers for revenue, recyling the same products with that promise of just a small amount of extra benefit. I said the same thing when the Burners were released and this further release only goes to prove my concerns were just. I think WGT are on the wrong path adopting this strategy, short term view that could ruin the game in the longer term.

   

  well said

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Thu, Nov 3 2011 11:25 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  But this is what terms and conditions state:

  In addition, you agree that WGT retains the sole and unfettered right to change, remove or modify the available virtual items from time to time (which may among other things make one or more virtual items more or less effective or functional, more common or less common, or eliminated entirely).

  Caveat emptor

  TBE

   

• BJORNAGAIN1 382 Posts

  Thu, Nov 3 2011 8:25 PM

  I have rented the R11 irons and to be honest I love them.

  I currently play with the TM2's and I will definately not be selling them.

  They will be my back up for a rainy day as I like these irons a lot.

  In all probability I will eventually purchase the R11's as I find their precision a bit better than the TM2's.

  The ball flight trajectory  is high and most medium to long irons land on the green

  and stay put.

  The distances are laid out differently to the TM2's but it does not take long to get used to them. In fact I actually prefer the distance for each individual iron.

  As far as the meter speed goes I don't notice a great deal of difference between the two sets of irons. I would possibly concede the R11's are slightly faster but you can soon adjust and it is not that significant to put me off.

  I just accept my irons will be slightly faster than my R11 woods and to be honest to  a certain extent it depends on what ball you team them up with.

  Again horses for courses.

  Finally a lot of folks are complaining about WGT making money. Well sure they are. 

  Good luck to them. They are running a business and as far as I am concerned we are not being forced into buying the new equipment.

  My opinion is I love this game and don't mind spending a bit of money to keep WGT in business as the game gives me many hours of pleasure  in return,  and I am sure others out there feel the same way.

  Afterall if you participate in the real game of golf you have to pay handsomely for club membership fees and equipment.

  So keep up the good work WGT and bring on more new equipment and spice the game up some more.

   

• MainzMan 9,591 Posts

  Fri, Nov 4 2011 7:31 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  the R11's are exactly the same now as how burners where when they first came out, wouldn't make much difference if you missed ding, but lately missing ding sends you any where

  but so were the burners when they first came out.

  Utterly agree with this.  Sorry Icon but as consumers I feel we have the right to express our opinions on the products being sold to us.

  I bought my Burner 2 irons on June 15th and they played like a dream, even compared to the Ping i15 which are pretty damn good clubs.  After a few months the performance, or rather forgiveness, went south for the Winter and stayed there.  I started a thread here about it and there was some agreement but lots of people defended the clubs too.  Whatever anyone says, I know they aren't the same irons I bought, something has changed.  As already pointed out WGT reserves the right to do this but it would be nice if they were upfront about it.

  I know I'll get a set as soon as I reach level 90 but really, $30?  Having paid $25 for the Burners it would be nice to be able to trade them in for a better price than Albert Steptoe in the pro shop offers.

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Fri, Nov 4 2011 7:56 AM

  So, the only thing to do is play on with with the Burners, and adjust or buy the the R11's.

  There is no way to prove that there is any tampering done in order for one to buy the new clubs, but you know what they say " Business is Business "  

• FarFoo 2,920 Posts

  Fri, Nov 4 2011 1:42 PM

  Re: WGT tampering

  Although it's easy to think that way, I do myself sometimes when I get a weird shot from time to time, but the guy that's leading the October Tour(Hanswurst72)  with a 55, and for the last month has been badly beating up everyone apart from Stevenharkin in the Elite CC tour, is still using Burner2's.

  So I figure it ain't the clubs, it's me.

  Foo