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The difference between good, great...and reality.

• LeonDelBosque 1,551 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 9:36 AM

  x1524807

  Here's a challenge: Get some good equipment and see if you can compete! I think your refusal is an excuse to be bad -- and to not break par, as you are challenging others to do (with equipment that you, and not they, are used to).

  "The legends of the old days used sticks, and a dead ball. They continually broke par."

  If you are talking about hickory shafts and featheries, this is simply not true; scores didn't start coming down -- under par to win the Open -- until the advent of modern equipment in the mid-20th Century. Why don't you get rid of your computer and communicate by Pony Express? Throw out you cell phone and just shout... rock climb with hemp rope and hobnail boots.... use candles instead of electricity. Take a crap in a bucket in the corner, and when you get sick, use leeches.

  As a matter of fact, my cc has been running a tourney with starter clubs and balls, from back tees, and the scoring has been pretty good. 

• greedykon 2 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 10:22 AM

  1930 U.S. Open Golf Tournament Scores
  Results from the 1930 U.S. Open golf tournament played at the par-72 Interlachen Country Club in Edina, Minnesota (a-amateur):

  a-Bobby Jones	71-73-68-75--287
  Macdonald Smith	70-75-74-70--289	$1,000
  Horton Smith	72-70-76-74--292	$750
  "Lighthorse" Harry Cooper	72-72-73-76--293	$650
  Johnny Golden	74-73-71-76--294	$

• x1524807 776 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 10:56 AM

  LOL

  Scoring
  
  Evolution of U.S. Open Scoring Records 

  1936 Tony Manero — 282 (-6)
  1937 Ralph Guldahl — 281 (-7)

• Midoh 209 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 11:23 AM

  Let's not forget exact yardage to the hole is displayed. Exact yardage to out of bounds or any hazard can be displayed. Exact distance for putts , with elevation is displayed. These are some of the factors, along with those Timbo mentioned, that make this game so much easier than real golf. Our scores reflect that. I, for one, could never even come close to shooting par on any of these courses in the real world.  ~ Jon 

• MBaggese 15,375 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 12:32 PM

  Timbo1984:

  The comparison's I was making were to prove how real golf differentiates from this game, not sure you read the entire post correctly.

   

  Comprehension is not a prerequisite to post;)

   

• piztaker 5,743 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 1:00 PM

  x1524807:

  Timbo1984:

  We see a lot of posts in the forums about some of the more "elite" players on this site being accused of all sorts of treachery. Cheating, sand bagging, "auto-dingers" etc.

  A special hello to the seven dwarfs

  First of all your comparisons of this game and golf are in no way realistic. This is not golf, this is a game. You play pinball and you look for high scoring. You play this game you look for low scoring, and all the comparisons to real golf have no basis. Someone will shoot a 40 when WGT sells them a club or clubs that will enable them to shoot a 40. Las Vegas sets their machines to whatever payoff they want to give, and WGT sets the scores to whatever they want you to  shoot. Granted, some of  you will  get more out of the upgrades than others, but your scores are phony

  I have had this challenge out for the last year. Front nine at Beth Page, white tee, moderate wind, fast green. I would like to see a legend break par, forget about 50 or 60, just break par. Put your upgrades away, come  back to the game the way it was originally given to you and show me you can break par. The legends of the old days used sticks, and a dead ball. They continually broke par, so please save the story that real players have to have better equipment  to be able to break par.

  During the last year, 8 of you have taken the challenge. One of you took it last week, and gave me permission to publish his name. His average is 59. I will not publish his name in the forum, but if you want, go to my wall and I will give you the name. Of the 8 legends who have accepted the challenge, 7 of you have been 3 to 4 over par, and one of you ran after the 4th hole when you were 4 over at the 4th.

  Two of you have sent me phony score cards showing that you broke par, but like Ronald Reagan told the Russians, trust and verify. Save your phony score cards and show me you can break par. The challenge is out there, but I know after one year the challengers are scared, so forget about the 50's, just show me you can shoot 34 at beth with reg clubs and ball and putter. If you can, I will publish your name in this forum. If you look at my record, you will see that I have broken par with my reg clubs on 2 occasions. I have probably played over 1000 times, so my average is almost nil, but of course I never have claimed to shoot a 50 or 60 like you legends have

  Merry Christmas, happy New Year, and a special good night to my seven dwarfs

   

  Can I buy you a new stylus for Christmas, your record keeps getting stuck.

• bigcountry317 4,269 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 2:18 PM

  x1524807:

  I have had this challenge out for the last year. Front nine at Beth Page, white tee, moderate wind, fast green. I would like to see a legend break par, forget about 50 or 60, just break par.

  I don't think I have ever posted in the main forum before but you make this sound so difficult that I had to give it a shot.  BPB, white tees, moderate wind, fast greens, default hole locations.  I used the starter clubs rather than the beginner version because that is what you appear to use.  Without a doubt the most difficult aspect of the round was trying to learn the 30ft meter on the putter again.  The round is NOT under par but is even par and according to your post that would be the best that has been scored by those who have taken your challenge.

  

  Now for the sad truth.  I'm not anywhere near as good as the elite players on this site.  I can assure you that those players will shoot well under par should they decide to give this a try.  All three of my bogies were of the two putt variety and each of the putts I missed was in the 8-12ft range so shouldn't be too difficult to see where I probably should have wound up.

  I am still curious what your point is though.  Are you simply getting a kick out of being able to shoot better than the players in higher tiers than yourself?  You seem to forget one thing.....while you have chosen to utilize the free equipment most of us in this game have chosen to purchase the better equipment as we have tiered and leveled up high enough to do so.  This means most of the higher tier players haven't used the starter equipment in ages (I started playing back in '09).  You state that you have 2 rounds under par there in about 1,000 attempts....congrats on those two rounds as it is surely an accomplishment but do you honestly think the top players on here would not be able to do the same, at a much  higher rate in fact, if they took the time to re-learn the starter equipment?  These players put in loads of time learning every set of clubs & balls that wgt has come out with over the years and they, naturally, are continuing to get better as the equipment improves. 

  Cheers to the original poster on a well thought out thread. 

  -bc-

• LeonDelBosque 1,551 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 2:18 PM

  x1524807:

  LOL

   

  Scoring
  
  Evolution of U.S. Open Scoring Records 

  1936 Tony Manero — 282 (-6)
  1937 Ralph Guldahl — 281 (-7)

   

  "Billy Burke was the first to win a major tournament with steel shafted clubs when he won the US Open in 1931. The obvious advantage of steel shafts was accuracy and durability. But they required an entirely different swing technique. The slow, languid, handsy swing of the 19th century and hickory shafts was replaced by a more precise and controlled body swing. Club head speed could now be maximized without requiring precise timing. The modern swing was born."

   

  Prior to 1906 no par was listed

  
  1906 Alex Smith — 295 (-33) — par was 82
  1907 Alex Ross — 302 (+10)
  1908 Fred McLeod (no par)
  1909 George Sargent — 288 (+2)
  1910 Alex Smith — 298-71 (+6)
  1911 John McDermott — 307-80 (+3)
  1912 John McDermott — 294 (+6)
  1913 Francis Quimet — 304-72 (+8)
  1914 Walter Hagan — 290 (+2)
  1915 Jerome Travers — 297 (+1)
  1916 Charles Evans — 286 (+2)
  1917-18 no championships
  1919 Walter Hagan 301-77 (+17)
  1920 Edward Ray — 295 (+7)
  1921 James Barnes — 289 (+9)
  1922 Gene Sarazen — 288 (+8)
  1923 Robert T. Jones — 296 (+8)
  1924 Cyril Walker — 297 (+9)
  1925 William Macfarlane — 291-75-72 (+7)
  1926 Robert T. Jones — 293 (+5)
  1927 Tommy Armour — 301-76 (+13)
  1928 Johnny Farrell — 294-143 (+10)
  1929 Robert T. Jones — 294-141 (+6)
  1930 Robert T. Jones — 287 (+1)
  1931 Billy Burke — 292-149-148 (+8)
  1932 Gene Sarazen — 286 (+6)
  1933 John Goodman — 287 (-1)
  1934 Olin Dutra — 293 (+13)
  1935 Sam Parks — 299 (+11)
  1936 Tony Manero — 282 (-6)
  1937 Ralph Guldahl — 281 (-7)
  1938 Ralph Guldahl — 284 (E)
  1939 Byron Nelson — 284-68-70 (+8)
  1940 Lawson Little — 287-70 (-1)

  
  

  That's some serious cherry picking of numbers.

  These are the "early years." The modern era began after the war, ie, mid-20th Century.

  Now, if you really want to talk about "breaking par" with "wooden sticks" and "dead balls," the winning score at the 1st Open Championship was 174 for 36 holes, or 87 for 18. The concept of "par" didn't even exist yet.

  
  

  The challenge is out there: Get some decent equipment and see if you can compete. 

   

• jumpmybones 205 Posts

  Mon, Dec 12 2011 3:01 PM

  Get  a job  !