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Fed up with WGT

Sat, Jan 7 2012 11:04 AM (61 replies)
  • Rightin
    1,248 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 5:57 PM

    Humm.......excuse me, I am eating lunch, seems that Crow is on the menu again.

  • thunderbird
    381 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 7:43 PM

    Bogey first all great round.  Nice choke on the back and way to blame it on WGT, classy.  LOL.  I have been around this game from the beginning and though there are many things they can improve.  I personally believe that a mishit will it most cases result in a poor shot.  In real life I know as a professional golfer which mishit will be the best one for each hole.  This game also takes that into consideration.  Just watch videos that sun and bolly made.  

    In regards to cheats.  As long as I have been here...4 years 6 months, I have played with the best except for a few who have come in gone. Not once have they been cheats just people with a lot of time who enjoyed WGT.  I know that I go through streaks where I have this game down.  Just the past five days I have been home and playing three or four hours a day and I was able to get into a grove.  Won seven or eight rgs, and finish inside the top ten in basically all of them.  I was regularly making my putts inside 25 ft.  Plus dinging 80% of my shots.  I never intentionally mishit but I will know on certain shots where it is penal to mishit a certain direction and wll make sure if i am early or late if anything.

    All that being said.  WGT is not predetermining score you are.  Its the same as when you show up at course and have a feeling about what you are going to shoot.  Some of you will disagree with me.  

  • IvaThongon
    933 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 8:58 PM

    b0geybuster:

    I was very excited a 25 from the legend tees.

    Plain and simple, front nine, dinging nearly 100% and 100% of the putts, coupled with a good wind set, bam 25.  Back nine started out ok, then to be honest was getting a little excited, ended up in bunker on 16 was happy to save par and then lipped 17, and completely ruined 18.

    My meter is fine, my loading issues are fine.   You guys kill me.

    If you miss the ding all bets are off,

    b0gey

    I think that this pretty much nails it. I'm not the greatest player on here, and I know I never will be. I'm sure there are some errors and such either programmed in or just happen, BUT, I think what is going on with the player is the biggest thing. If I had a 25 on the front, I'd be so wound up I'd be a wreck on the back. 

    An example from my own games today. I always swear I play best when I am doing my nails. I know it sounds dumb, but it is 100% true. So I am playing a couple alt shot games with friends earlier. I'm a filin' and a buffin' and shooting when it's my turn. I could not miss. 25 feet and in were like gimmees. I think it is all because I was paying no mind to the game and just shooting when it was my turn. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the nails, just the fact that my mind is elsewhere, so a 25 foot putt to win or save a hole seemed like just another shot. 

    Anyway, in 9 holes, I can clean up one hand real nice. so after the second game, the nails were done. Next game, could not make a putt, drive, anything to save my life. Lost my distraction, started thinking, pooped the bed. I don't know, seems like there is something to it anyway.

  • callawayjay
    46 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 9:14 PM

    I fear that many of you are missing the point here.  And I fear that many of you are not historians of the game.  Thankfully, I am one such person and allow me to enlighten those who will read this post.  Keep in mind as you read this that I am writing this with the intent that I fully believe that WGT tried and to a small degree succeeded in creating a realistic game of golf.  Very often in these forums I have read where people compare the reaction of the ball in WGT to "RL".  Alas, a gander at the average score or average drive on WGT proves that people are diffusional as compared to real golf.  My handicap index is in the single digits, and I would bet anything I have against anyone on here in a "RL" game without any fear and this considering that I might have hit 3, three hundred yard drives in all of last year.   The Legends of this game hit 300 yard bombs with their mighty 3 woods in WGT.  Consistently!  How RL is that?

    However, I digress.  Ben Hogan once said that golf is not a game of good shots, it's a game of bad shots.  Bob Rotella sold millions of books helping people understand that "golf is not a game of perfect".  Jackie Burke once quipped that "nobody hit's it perfect, not even Demaret."  Moe Norman, the best ball striker that ever lived, a man who had dime sized spots worn out on all of his clubs and nary a scratch on a nary other part of the clubface, never made in on the PGA Tour for any significant time.  So I find it very hard to believe that WGT designed a game where every shot was meant to be nailed on the button. 

    Further, to everyone who has posted how they never want WGT to become like the other simulation games out there - I merely say this:  REALLY?  Every winning score in WGT tournaments requires near perfect rounds.  Several shots under par.  How is that different than the other games out there where unrealistic and nearly unattainable scores are required to win day in and day out?  And how to explain how a very select few seem to shoot these near improbable scores EVERY time they tee it up???

    This leads me to take issue with what BOGEY said earlier in the thread.  How these truly great players play 10 to 20 rounds a day.  The average 18 hole tournament game where one needs the utmost concentration, takes at least 40 minutes.  And I'm being generous here.  That would mean that on average these legends are playing 15 hours a day.  While not impossible, I would like for these people to PM me in order to tell me where I can get a job like theirs that allows me that much free time to pursue and to train for this game.

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, don't believe that those who wear tin foil hats have any further protection from their own government espionage tactics, but practice is one thing.  Figuring out how to get the most consistent meter even in peak times during the major tournaments in order to get consistent dings is a secret that we'd all love to learn.

  • slillico
    393 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 9:21 PM

    Ok so I'm sitting wondering why is this not happening to some and happening to plenty of others, so i check some activities, well, it seems as though we do not play the same game folks.

    All some do is play various stroke play tournaments, plenty of alternate shots, ctth etc.

    I have played plenty of those games and dings react as expected every time,and if not it was because of a bounce or at least something explainable and see able.

    When credits are involved the game changes the better you do and it seems as though everyone is affected. The ready go's seem to throw a switch on some and not others based on something i am unaware of.

    It does not matter if you ding or not or hit the perfect putt or make the perfect read,does not matter, in some cases you cant miss a putt even if you try and I have.

    Some people here can stand over a 5ft putt here and know exactly what is required to put it in the hole, then when hit perfectly watch it come up the famous 2 - 3in short or fly 4.2 feet by.

    Also, from experience it seems in the challenge matches at least, 3 birdies for the win in a row spells trouble for the next 2 holes

    Further, this does not reflect real life golf at all, I have had a pro demonstrate to me the difference in the clubs they use to the ones mostly everyone else does, he hit 3 shots in a row 150 yards and you could throw a score card on the results, no deviation unless you mishit them.

    Bottom line,with good equipment, a perfectly hit shot, goes perfectly. That's real life. That's not to say it goes in the hole every time because other factors are at play also.

    Perfectly dinged shots should react the same, at least till the shot hits the ground, with the top equipment no matter if you are playing a ready go, a challenge match or a country club tournament or alt shot etc.

    Now if there is going to be deviation, and more so when credits are involved, then it should not be predictable, nor extreme on dinged shots and most importantly fair and happen to everyone.

    Further, Real Life, perfectly hit putts on the perfect line go in the hole each and every time, here not so.

    You can only explain so much to yourself when you put 9 ft of speed on a 5ft putt and it comes up 2in short. 

    What I say to myself, is don't change a thing it will correct itself a hole or 2 later.

    Extreme deviation on dinged shots have no place here, Miss the ding and oh well you get what you get, that's real life.

  • b0geybuster
    2,574 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 9:58 PM

    thunderbird:
    Bogey first all great round.  Nice choke on the back and way to blame it on WGT, classy.  LOL

    Surely, I shouldn`t blame myself?

    This is great, keep it coming....

    Really people, think about your shots, and shot selections.  99.9% of the time i can figure out that I, yes I, did something wrong.  Do you get that?   Do you really get that?   The game is not predetermined, its simple, input and output.  You select direction, club, and spin, but when you start to realize that 1 dot more or less of spin can result in a horrible shot, you might actually learn something.   Dont blame WGT for your short comings.

    I am medicore at best in this game, but everytime I play a round, I know where my shots were left, I dont blame WGT, I don`t blam VEM, I blame myself!  

    Was a great read today, if you would like we can continue this tomorrow for a few more laughs!

    But I will leave you with,

    If you miss the ding, all bets are off!

    Cheers,

    b0gey

     

  • Topcat488
    172 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 10:19 PM

     

    B0gey wrote:

    I don't know what to say.  I have had enough with WGT and their loading issues and meter issues. 

    I cant get through a round with out a hiccup.   Its getting ridiculous.  I have played these shots 1000 times!

    This RG was insane, average front nine balls going closer to the hole then expected on miss hits none the less, balls going in on clearly poor shots and yardage selection. 

    Then on back 9 the opposite, i ding shots and they come up short, ding putts and they miss, lip outs on 11,16, 17,18.  Wtf, WTG, wheres the love?     This s**t makes me mad.   What could have been?

    Topcat488 wrote:
     I'm confused.  I'm tired.  Where can i get a hat like that?

     

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 11:02 PM

    Diffusional?

    10 9 hole rounds for many of the best is about 2.5 hours, watch BiB's and SunCity's videos on YouTube...under 15 minutes per 9 hole.

    Not sure what their commitments are, but maybe they don't spend 8pm to 1am watching ESPN, etc, and hammer out rounds here instead.

     

     

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 11:12 PM

    b0geybuster:
    If you miss the ding, all bets are off!

     

    That's how I took Tbirds reply?

  • tigerteng
    1 Posts
    Wed, Jan 4 2012 11:27 PM

    thanks

     

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