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NEW TM Putter comparison

• jayjonbeach 689 Posts

  Thu, Jan 28 2010 9:04 PM

  I did some hair splitting on the distance break down differences, here it is:

     TM = 6, 8, 12, 12, 15, 16, 24, 24, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 45, 48,

  RED = 6, 9, 12, 12, 15, 18, 24, 24, 27, 30, 36, 36, 45, 45, 48,

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  These correspond to avatar movements and assume the TM 60 foot putter has the same amount of movements as the starter putter ( 7 x 8 feet each, 0.5 for last 4 feet).  Assume because I have not tried the new putter. 

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  Note that the bold and underlined spots are the differences between the two. (I only went to 48 feet, beyond that you need more help than this post! LOL)

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  The Redwood does fill in the holes just a little nicer at the shorter distances IMO, but I think the meter speed is the biggy and this relies on which balls you plan to use most of the time. 

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  Damn where is the putting green at the Proshop....

• danohi50 1,020 Posts

  Fri, Jan 29 2010 12:47 AM

  1. The meter speed is nice for me, surprisingly it didn't seem to effect my timing with my full fast meter master set (G10).

  2. If you subscribe to Nivlacs excellent pull back method, I prefer the redwood as the 45 ft meter for me is nice. Great for those pesky 8-10' putts.

  I asked myself this question. How can I make the Daytona putter better for me?

  I laid a piece of clear cellophane tape over my meter. Starting with the full power side, I made a mark with a fine tip felt pin every 1 centimeter. This gave me twelve = marks along my meter line. With a little extra at the first mark. (At the starting point of the meter.) (I hate leaving putts short).

  So 15' + 12 centimeter marks each worth 1.25 ft

  30'= 12 X 2.50'

  60'= 12 X 5.00'

  90'= 12 X 7.50'

  With this measuring method, I personally like the new Taylor Made better.

  With the redwood it becomes harder to calculate.

  Proof.

  15'=12 X 1.25'

  30'= 12 X 2.50'

  45'= 12 X 3.75' (That's harder to calculate IMHO)

  One other thing I noticed. I'm a spin player. If I have a right to left put for example, I will miss the mark to the right by the amount I think the putt is going to break. Of course this don't work for putts with a lot of break. I'm still not positive of this but it seems like the spin works harder on the Redwood as apposed to the new Taylor. This means with the Taylor, you don't have to miss the mark as much leading to less putts coming up short. With the Redwood you have to allow more room for the break which makes your putts travel a little shorter.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Jan 29 2010 5:19 AM

  They're the exact same putter with different meters!! You pay another buck and a half for the meter crutch. The starter putter and the Taylor putters don't belong in the same sentence. I'm missing how you came up with numbers for a putter you haven't tried, jay.

• GLADSTONESCREWER 749 Posts

  Fri, Jan 29 2010 6:11 AM

  I thought the TM would inprove my game , Back to the Spider for me, for now anyways until i can work out how to use the TM, tried for a few days now & my scores have suffered, short puts are ok but struggling with long puts, if you miss the ding your probably gonna miss the put, but with the spider i can occasionally make what looks like a really hard put even when missing the ding, i actually think i fluke some puts with the Spider which sometimes is a bonus, dont want to lay all the blame on my current form down on the TM because my Rapture irons seem to be spraying the ball places where it never used to go ( anyone else noticed ) but i really dont like fast metres & to get more accuracy at the moment you would need to play with g10 or taylors, i cant wait for a club set that will be accurate and a little faster than raptures but a little slower than taylors or g10, anyway sorry for straying off topic a bit but theSpider is back in my bag for the time being.

  good shooting ...Gladstone.........>>>>>>>> off to the 19th.

• jayjonbeach 689 Posts

  Fri, Jan 29 2010 10:04 AM

  danohi50:

  2. If you subscribe to Nivlacs excellent pull back method, I prefer the redwood as the 45 ft meter for me is nice. Great for those pesky 8-10' putts.

  I asked myself this question. How can I make the Daytona putter better for me?

  I laid a piece of clear cellophane tape over my meter. Starting with the full power side, I made a mark with a fine tip felt pin every 1 centimeter. This gave me twelve = marks along my meter line. With a little extra at the first mark. (At the starting point of the meter.) (I hate leaving putts short).

  So 15' + 12 centimeter marks each worth 1.25 ft

  30'= 12 X 2.50'

  60'= 12 X 5.00'

  90'= 12 X 7.50'

  With this measuring method, I personally like the new Taylor Made better.

  With the redwood it becomes harder to calculate.

  Proof.

  15'=12 X 1.25'

  30'= 12 X 2.50'

  45'= 12 X 3.75' (That's harder to calculate IMHO)

  Very interesting!   Does seem like cheating somewhat though....hehe.  I mean avatar movement watching already makes putting way easier and your method just takes it one step farther. 

  I guess when I start playing ready go's I will get out my tape for sure, seems like a fool proof way of nailing distance.

  This points out exactly why we need a 3 click meter, meter will look the same but you have to click to start it to the left and then click at the spot where you want your power level (and once more at the ding)  This will really help keep scores in check and keep the challenge up while also making it more realistic.  Buts thats off topic now :( 

  YankeeJim:

  They're the exact same putter with different meters!! You pay another buck and a half for the meter crutch. The starter putter and the Taylor putters don't belong in the same sentence. I'm missing how you came up with numbers for a putter you haven't tried, jay.

  That was easy actually but that was why I pointed out I assumed the results. 

  All numbers were based on the Redwood (and the 60 foot on the starter), both the Redwood and the new TM have a 15 foot scale for example, and I am assuming that both putters have the same number of avatar movements in the meter. 

  Hopefully someone can confirm but I'm betting that the avatar movements for each distance are the same. 

• ncviz 527 Posts

  Fri, Jan 29 2010 10:27 AM

  Honestly I can't tell the difference in the speed Daytona vs Redwood. Somewhat surprising noone else has mentioned that, even had players say it's too slow, humm. With any new piece of equipment there's usually always an adjustment period for me if there's a difference in meter speed, had no such feeling with this.

  Anyone else with non-GI balls feel like this? I'm thinking the GI ball players might see it more since their speed is a little slower, who knows.

• neildiamond11790 1,115 Posts

  Fri, Jan 29 2010 11:44 AM

  Considering the comments on the lack of a 45ft, well its a 60 so its an easy calculation at 75%.  And typically anyting outside the 20ft range for me is a lag putt, and on my 3rd day with the TM, I have yet to 3 putt from that distance.  So the slower meter to me more than compensates for the lack of a 45ft meter.

• danohi50 1,020 Posts

  Fri, Jan 29 2010 2:55 PM

  Yep, in my mind it's a type of cheat. WGT in all its wisdom does occasionally change the meter length or position from time to time, so you got to pay attention.

• Infinito3010 3,689 Posts

  Fri, Jan 29 2010 3:28 PM

  Strange isn't it.  The irons, wedges have incremental movements of 5%, but the putter doesn't.  The most important club in the bag, one should not be guessing at how much power you are giving the club. 

  I spent many hours on the greens to develop methodology in reading the putts.  Methodology on the length of putt including elevation change and green speed. The Redwood putter has great precision with good balance. One should not be out by much on a roll to hole.  Factors that I consider relevant would be the 15 and 30 foot  scales which should have great resolution and the 45 foot scale having good resolution.  What I mean is that they should be quite accurate. However, at times we have to guesstimate the power to use when putting.

  Pardon my love for the Redwood putter, but the 45 foot scale does come in handy.

• dciman 25 Posts

  Tue, Feb 2 2010 2:52 AM

  jayjonbeach:

  I did some hair splitting on the distance break down differences, here it is:

     TM = 6, 8, 12, 12, 15, 16, 24, 24, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 45, 48,

  RED = 6, 9, 12, 12, 15, 18, 24, 24, 27, 30, 36, 36, 45, 45, 48,

  .

  These correspond to avatar movements and assume the TM 60 foot putter has the same amount of movements as the starter putter ( 7 x 8 feet each, 0.5 for last 4 feet).  Assume because I have not tried the new putter. 

  .

  Note that the bold and underlined spots are the differences between the two. (I only went to 48 feet, beyond that you need more help than this post! LOL)

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  The Redwood does fill in the holes just a little nicer at the shorter distances IMO, but I think the meter speed is the biggy and this relies on which balls you plan to use most of the time. 

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  Damn where is the putting green at the Proshop....

   

   

  Would you explain your scale please?  I'm not understanding all the repeat numbers.

   

  Thanks for your time