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Let us, once and for all, debunk an old myth about slow meter clubs at the master level and above.

• G0LD 358 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 12:17 PM

  Richard, you clearly understand the importance of hitting the ball straight, and yet acknowledge the fact that there is more to golf than that skill. There is also, and perhaps more importantly, the irreplaceable skill that determines the aim of the shot.

  Ultimately, we need a balanced, comprehensive view, that includes, with poise and measure, every aspect of this complex game.

• phiber 2,795 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 12:41 PM

  I think the real secret is in fact being able to hit the ding.  Anticipation is a cruel and vicious beast and with the slower meter clubs I frequently miss the ding to the left, and with faster clubs I miss it less to the left and found that I ding more often, still not often enough and that comes from inexperience more than anything.  I think there is not one club meter speed that is right for all people as most people have different reaction speeds and hand eye coordination.  I think more of it is in the club itself.  As YankeeJim pointed out in another thread, some clubs have a smoother swing meter.  My driver is the R9 Tri and the R9 next level up is smoother for sure but I am not changing to that with the R11 only one level away.  I already waste too many bucks on balls that don't last long enough;)

• G0LD 358 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 12:51 PM

  Again, phiber, hitting straight (ding!) is a key aspect of the game. There is no denying that. But it is NOT the ONLY aspect. This should be perfectly clear by now.

  As for your excellent point regarding reaction speeds, it is beyond debate.

• navigater 1,319 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 2:49 PM

  LeonDelBosque:

  G0LD:

  The only ones who will benefit from the slow meter clubs in question will be lesser players who currently struggle with fast meter clubs,

  Good clubs should be hard to hit. If they're not, then the game will be too easy. If the game suddenly becomes much easier for so called "lesser" players, then the game will be diminished. I don't really care about the top 5 or 50 or 100 players --- there are thousands and thousands and thousands of people who play this game.

  I don't think the issue was ever whether the very best players would get even better; the question is, will everyone else start shooting 5 strokes better because hitting the ball is no longer a challenge?

   

  In one hand,I agree.But,,,,, on the other hand.(I R L) the most expensive ,and the very best clubs on the market,Are the easiest ,And the most forgiving ,,Go figure<And ponder that for a while

   In the end ,Its all about the timing.The best players, can play any club.and ball, and still shoot great scores

• G0LD 358 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 3:35 PM

  Leon, Leon, Leon, lesser players who enjoy the game more because they have more manageable, slower meter clubs, that enable them to score well, without outshining the best players who have the best fast meter clubs and the greatest set of skills is not a cardinal sin. Why force them to experience, time and again, the frustration of wild miss-hits that ruin whatever gain they've made in any given game? Did you ever stop to think that just maybe they would love a bit of a break, thanks to a slower meter, so they can reap the reward of being good in other aspects of the game?

  And for the lesser players with slower reflexes who thrive on a steep challenge, they remain free to buy the fast meter clubs, even if the latter exceed their ability to use them consistently well.

  Everything in the end comes to a matter of choice, and wgt's willingness to effectively meet the various needs of the players.

   

   

• mel1950 2,887 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 4:36 PM

  I don't know so much about the lesser players but I myself have just turned TM and what a struggle I had doing it. About two years ago I had quite a severe illness which has left me with very bad reflexes and a slight tremor in my hands and would quite welcome a slower meter set of clubs even if it meant losing some of the precision and length of the R11'S I have at the moment. 

  I can see the argument on both sides of the fence but even with the higher level players there are some who have similar conditions to myself who would probably welcome them to.

  mel1950

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 4:49 PM

  G0LD:

  There is also, and perhaps more importantly, the irreplaceable skill that determines the aim of the shot.

  I still don't quite know what your getting at. The aiming device this game uses is not complex. In fact it's quite easy to land the ball very close to the hole if we hit ding, especially with the best equipment. Even the lower level equipment is superior for the lower tier players.

  Where does your problem lie with this game being you're a 58 average Legend player?

  You mention: "we need a balanced, comprehensive view, that includes, with poise and measure" What the hell does this mean? The game just isn't this complex for me, nor is it for a lot of other players.

  Gold, you're a fellow CC member, and a great player. I don't understand where your coming from with this thread.

• gatordee 281 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 5:13 PM

  I would have a terrible time if I went to a slow meter club. It would take a lot of getting use to. I have the R11 irons and driver and would rather have my driver match the speed of the irons meter than vice versa. I have also heard of the people complaining about the balls slowing down the meter too much.

• G0LD 358 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 5:49 PM

  It would be nice if my main critics in this thread accepted the sobering fact that all human beings are not necessarily in their image. People have a great variety of needs, which can only be met through a variety of choices. Incidentally, I did not begin this thread with me, myself, and I as its sole point of reference, as though my perspective reigned supreme on all of God's green earth. My initial post, despite the few narrow bards that followed, has not lost its rational merit in the least.

  Furthermore, Richard, I maintain strongly that this game involves indeed more than just aiming for the flag and dinging our shots. If you don't believe so, then you have become amnesic with regard to your own laborious growth as a player, or anybody else's for that matter. You are good, and your reflexes are good as well, alleluia! But you are not alone, and are not the universal mold from which all of humanity is fashioned.

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Thu, Mar 8 2012 6:26 PM

  G0LD:

  If you don't believe so, then you have become amnesic with regard to your own laborious growth as a player, or anybody else's for that matter.

  ???

  G0LD:

  I maintain strongly that this game involves indeed more than just aiming for the flag and dinging our shots.

  What then Gold, what more does this game need? Your responses have been vague at best.