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Teeing off at Olympic

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 7:42 AM

  KublaConn:

  borntobesting:

  I consider myself to be average at best but i hit this green in 2 about 90% of the time. 

   

  I must be well below average, then, because it is safe to say that my experience with this hole has been just about the opposite of yours.

  Our drivers will go 300yds. Yours won't Kubla. It's as simple as that. Wait until you level up and unlock something with a bit of ooomph!

   

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 11:58 AM

  KublaConn:

  Do you understand

   

    I think you don't understand how/why the course are set up as they are...

   

  WGT sets them the same as they were for the US Open...so if the US Open had that (unrealistic, I know) hole on #1 playing as a par 3...we would have it as a par 3 also.

  As I mentioned at the beginning...par 4 or par 5..makes no difference.  WGT could call all the holes par 5's...players wold shoot 20 under, but still have the same score if WGT called them all par 3's and we shot 20 over...a 65..etc, is a 65 no matter if the course is a par 72 or a par 70.

  My guess is you may be stuck on this as you're trying to "break Par" on the course?  That's cool

• ApexPC 3,164 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 12:20 PM

  KublaConn - You seem to have a somewhat distorted understanding what the word "par" means! http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Handicap-System-Manual/Rule-02/#par

  Par

  "Par" is the score that an expert player would be expected to make for a given hole. Par means expert play under ordinary weather conditions, allowing two strokes on the putting green. Par is not a significant factor in either the USGA Handicap System or USGA Course Rating System. (See Section 16.)

   Par assumes 2 putts on every green.

  So the expectation is that:

  Par 3's require just 1 approach shot - from the tee box., and 2 putts

  Par 4's require 2 approach shots, one from the tee box, one shot from the fairway, and 2 putts.

  Par 5's require a tee shot, 2 fairway shots, and 2 putts.

  http://www.usga.org/bookrule.aspx?id=14401

  KublaConn:

  Do you understand what the word "par" means?  Do you know how that designation is normally determined?  If a course administrator decides to set the difficulty level of a hole by shaving a stroke off of par for the hole, they are not merely being extremely lazy, but they are missing the entire meaning of "par" and what makes up the difficulty level of golf.  

  A par four hole is a a par four hole because all of the natural factors of the hole will cause MOST golfers to need that many strokes to put the hole in the cup.  If you have a hole where MOST of the golfers will need five strokes to put the hole in the cup, and you decide to raise the difficulty level of the hole by lowering the par to four, you are being a lazy, unimaginative course administrator (to put it delicately).

   

   

• KublaConn 22 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 12:25 PM

  That is my entire point, this hole consistently requires two fairway shots to reach the green, therefore, leaving just one putt in order to make par.

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 2:01 PM

  KublaConn:

  If I play the Korbel Tourney, it's Oly, and I'm playing from the 525 tee, if I play the December Olympic Tourney, I'm playing from the 512 tee.  Don't know why there's a difference, but it happens.

  Most tournaments are divided by tier, and each tier will play it's tees.

  Some tournaments like the Korbel aren't separated by tier, and then ev1 plays from the same tees. There have been tourneys from advanced tees but many play from the champions tees. Alas, here it's not these (533 for the 1st hole) but the blue (hard) tees (525). You are used to the medium tees (512), so it's just a wee bit harder for you.

  KublaConn:

  As for the second shot, [...] my original statement is true; on your second shot your ball is supposed to be 27-33 feet ABOVE the landing point, meaning it should travel LONGER.

  You are perfectly right, someone got confused on this.

  And I can imagine that it's difficult for you to get on in two. As a Master, I needed two perfect shots, and now it may be impossible with headwind.

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 2:21 PM

  KublaConn:

  That is my entire point, this hole consistently requires two fairway shots to reach the green, therefore, leaving just one putt in order to make par.

  No - it depends on "skill" or equipment.

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 4:00 PM

  KublaConn:

  That is my entire point, this hole consistently requires two fairway shots to reach the green, therefore, leaving just one putt in order to make par.

  Like i said earlier. Your driver doesn't hit far enough. If you gave a real life pro just a 3 iron to tee off with he probably wouldn't reach it in 2.

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Thu, Dec 27 2012 7:06 PM

  KublaConn:

  That is my entire point, this hole consistently requires two fairway shots to reach the green, therefore, leaving just one putt in order to make par.

   

  Golf can be that way. At least you're getting one attempt at par. Hit a wedge close with your third shot and sink the putt for par. Birdie the second hole and the first hole will be out of your mind right away.

• ApexPC 3,164 Posts

  Fri, Dec 28 2012 8:33 AM

  KublaConn:

  That is my entire point, this hole consistently requires two fairway shots to reach the green, therefore, leaving just one putt in order to make par.

  That may be how it is for you.

  For expert players in ordinary weather conditions only 1 fairway shot is normally required.

  No doubt it's usually a long fairway shot, but as mentioned the course is set up for US Open play -narrow fairways, deep rough, fast greens, and challenging flagstick placement.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Dec 28 2012 8:39 AM

  CerinoDevoti:

  At least you're getting one attempt at par. Hit a wedge close with your third shot and sink the putt for par.

  This is good advice. Play for par, the birdies will come and you'll be closer to being able to follow Dazza's advice. Maybe even consider a 4th wedge in the meantime, just for the experience of getting the up close from any lie.  You're just paying the dues.  :-)