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Teeing off at Olympic

• KublaConn 22 Posts

  Sat, Dec 22 2012 2:26 AM

  #1 @ Olympic is just straight-up, crazy stupid.

  A 525-yard par 4?  With a second shot that's 27-33 feet above the hole, but will give you the exact distance of your club, sometimes even when there's a decent tail wind?  Yeah, that's certainly for real.

• MWFan 35 Posts

  Sat, Dec 22 2012 9:54 AM

  Yes it is.

   

  Don't know what you're expecting people to say...go look at the Olympic website and you'll see that it is in fact a 525 yd par 4 that plays fairly flat on the second because the ball almost always gets slowed down by the upslope in front of the green.

• KublaConn 22 Posts

  Sat, Dec 22 2012 10:50 AM

  I expect people to say what they will say.  Yes, I realize that it's a fair representation of the actual hole on the actual course, but what's crazy is that it's not a par four.  I also realize that for the 2012 U.S. Open, for some insane reason, it was made a par four, but for the four previous U.S. Opens at Olympic, it was a par five.  Any hole where you can only reach the green on your second shot 20% of the time is NOT a par four hole, unless someone has changed what the word "par" means.

• 8802 4,257 Posts

  Sat, Dec 22 2012 12:16 PM

  Then there is the tee shot.  The hole calls for a power fade, but since you can't fade or draw (a glaring omission), unless you have a left to right wind, you risk driving it through the fairway into the 40-50 rough.  Or take your chances going over the "ghost trees" on the right, which the ball usually flies through.  Most of the time, anyway.  I watched the best players in the world play this hole in the US Open.  The shot starts left center, cuts and catches the downslope.

• ScottHope 10,436 Posts

  Sat, Dec 22 2012 4:47 PM

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• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Sat, Dec 22 2012 5:01 PM

  KublaConn:

   Any hole where you can only reach the green on your second shot 20% of the time is NOT a par four hole, unless someone has changed what the word "par" means.

   

  Short game can be your friend

• KublaConn 22 Posts

  Sat, Dec 22 2012 5:16 PM

  MBaggese:

  KublaConn:

   Any hole where you can only reach the green on your second shot 20% of the time is NOT a par four hole, unless someone has changed what the word "par" means.

   

  Short game can be your friend

  Agreed, but, once again, by the standard definitions of par for a hole, if you are having to chip/pitch onto the green on your third shot at least 80% of the time, that hole is almost never considered a par four.

   

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Sat, Dec 22 2012 10:06 PM

  Let's make it a par 5 for all then.

   

  Only thing that changes is your score in relation to par, net score stays the same:)

• borntobesting 9,701 Posts

  Sun, Dec 23 2012 3:12 AM

  KublaConn:

   Any hole where you can only reach the green on your second shot 20% of the time is NOT a par four hole, unless someone has changed what the word "par" means.

  I consider myself to be average at best but i hit this green in 2 about 90% of the time. And the times I don't it is not because I couldn't reach it. I simply missed the ding enough to be on the fringe or in the rough next to the green. We play this just like the U.S. Open did.

  You also mentioned the 4 previous U.S. Opens playing it as a par 5. There are a few reasons. First the average driving distance in 1998, the last year the U.S. Open was played there until this year,was 286 or so, it was close to 300 this year. number 2 they played it around 10 to 15 yards shorter this year than in the past. Reason number 3 the hole is way downhill making it play even shorter than the listed distance. Those 3 factors make the hole play way too short to be played as a par 5 in the U.S. Open. I have reached it in 2 with as little as a driver and a 6 iron. If they had played it as a par 5 there would have been so many eagles on it that it would have been a joke.

   

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Sun, Dec 23 2012 3:24 AM

  borntobesting:

  We play this just like the U.S. Open did.

  +1!

  8802:

  Then there is the tee shot.  The hole calls for a power fade, but since you can't fade or draw (a glaring omission), unless you have a left to right wind, you risk driving it through the fairway into the 40-50 rough.

  Excuse me: I can.

  Stopping the meter at or just outside the bars next to the "ding" bar produces the desired shots. It's good for ##1, 5(*), 10 at this course. Add others ad libitum.

  (*) corrected