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At last! An Uneven Lies tourney... but...

• Udo1 123 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 12:26 AM

  CerinoDevoti:

  1)Do you compare the normal even lies game play to real life golf? 100% flat lies all the time on courses your eyes tell you are very bumpy and rolling? Every bunker flat as a pancake when you know you've landed in the face with a severe upslope or worse a downslope? Again, why does everyone accept the unrealistic game play of "even lies" but have so much criticism of uneven lies?

  2) How much should the effect of even lies be toned up so it gets anywhere close to real life golf?

  IMO, if uneven lies is toned down any more the even lies game play needs to get way harder. Right now one is no more realistic or unrealistic than the other.

  I don't compare the even lies to real life golf. As you say it is unrealistic too.

  Maybe WGT should mix both sides of the coin and we have a realistic behaviour.

• sarak362336 1,597 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 3:40 AM

  I found the whole experience a complete joke - If WGT wants to discourage players this is definitely the way to go.

  I notice the supporters of this and look forward to seeing how u do when its rolled out.  Personally I won't be playing any more of these.

  Sara 

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 5:22 AM

  In my opinion the only thing they need to work on is the uphill / downhill distance that the ball goes. 

  I understand you are going to lose distance with both lies, but when the lie meter shows maybe a very small angle and the dot is not moving, you can see you are on an uphill lie so you add 10 just to be safe,and you wind up losing 20 yards on the shot ,well something is not right .

  I did have to WD do to just getting aggravated with all the WTF outcomes, but it was fun and I will try again Jan 1 with that tourney 

• GoodyChamp 595 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 5:43 AM

  CerinoDevoti:

   

  I'm seeing a card that's very good on the backside. Would love to know how you played on the front as well and what was the wind? You took advantage of the par 3's like you have to do and both of the par 5's. You made birdie's on the first 2 par 4's which is very good. I know those holes and how you have to play them. Question: if you had 6 months of practice with the UL's, do you think you would have known exactly what club to hit your approach at 18? I'm positive you would and at least would have been able to get out of the bunker in 1 stroke.

   

   

  Cerino, I had birdies on #2 and #8 and bogied #4 (after a perfect drive, but came up short on my approach -. that 1 needs lots of extra club, far 2 much I guess)

  Wind was low, Cgreens.

  Could be that if I had practised more especially on bunkershots, I could be out in 1. Not sure though cause it was  "red-lie", very steep and thought it was 40/50% or 50/60%. Any suggestions 2 handle those kind of shots are welcome though so I can finish in style next time with the bird 4 the 62 I was hoping 4 ;-)

  Cheers, GC

• LOLserver 3,522 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 6:19 AM

  sarak362336:

  I found the whole experience a complete joke - If WGT wants to discourage players this is definitely the way to go.

  I notice the supporters of this and look forward to seeing how u do when its rolled out.  Personally I won't be playing any more of these.

  Sara 

  lol Sara, then you won't be playing most of the tournes, as I believe UL be granted to the most of the tournes for Legend & TL.

  Cheers, Eric

  LOLserver:

  Disagree with the OB (Fabian) about making the game more difficult, the game is VERY easy the way it is now.

  Eric 

  Sorry Fabian, it was not you the OB...LOL, hope we can play a match sometime again mate, Eric 

   

• sarak362336 1,597 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 6:30 AM

  Well Eric - if thats the way its going I will be off......

  I can only speak for myself - I find the game difficult enough as it is without the randomness of ULs.     I find constantly playing tournys in high winds a lottery and not a great deal of fun.  

  There are an elite bunch of players on here who as with any game dominate.  I realise I am not in that league and play the game for fun - when it becomes mentally draining just to hit a green or land a fairway the enjoyment ceases for me.

  Those who wish for the extra challenge I respect your views, but it is not for me.

  Sara

   

• CerinoDevoti 3,232 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 6:39 AM

  GoodyChamp:

  CerinoDevoti:

   

  I'm seeing a card that's very good on the backside. Would love to know how you played on the front as well and what was the wind? You took advantage of the par 3's like you have to do and both of the par 5's. You made birdie's on the first 2 par 4's which is very good. I know those holes and how you have to play them. Question: if you had 6 months of practice with the UL's, do you think you would have known exactly what club to hit your approach at 18? I'm positive you would and at least would have been able to get out of the bunker in 1 stroke.

   

   

  Cerino, I had birdies on #2 and #8 and bogied #4 (after a perfect drive, but came up short on my approach -. that 1 needs lots of extra club, far 2 much I guess)

  Wind was low, Cgreens.

  Could be that if I had practised more especially on bunkershots, I could be out in 1. Not sure though cause it was  "red-lie", very steep and thought it was 40/50% or 50/60%. Any suggestions 2 handle those kind of shots are welcome though so I can finish in style next time with the bird 4 the 62 I was hoping 4 ;-)

  Cheers, GC

  So you got through the first 6 holes in par. Super start in UL's for this course. The 4th hole I always hit only a slight draw because I want to be as far right in the fairway as possible. Then I hit 3 extra clubs over distance punch shot to that left pin. This is one of those holes where the fairway and the pin don't match up(fade lie to draw pin). I land short of the green hoping for the ball to run up. If not, chip and putt for par. Watching the US Open I noticed a whole lot of players coming up short but making easy par as if that was the way they planned it.

  Red Box bunker lies are because the ball is so extremely uphill or downhill. From that spot on 18 I'd have tried a punched SW, 52 degree or even PW  full power. Looks like extremely too much power but the combination of uphill and sand lie kills the distance. If that didn't get it out hitting backwards or sideways is the most painful but sometimes only reasonable option. I play only average but my ego has the most trouble with hitting away from the hole.

• mantis0014 8,946 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 6:53 AM

  It's not a complete joke...  maybe a partail joke....lol

  The closer you get to the green the harder it gets.

  I think the problem is......  you can't move your feet/stance in relation to the U/Lie. At the moment your just relying on where you move the aim or how hard you hit the ball.

  If your close to the green... lets say 30yrds from pin, with the ball above your feet in the rough.... you have to aim just about behind you to get close to flag.... not that bad, but just about....lol  Now that's a joke.

  Hitting 2 or 3 clubs more than you should... does not compute either.

  I found that your better off hitting a 3 wood off the fairway, than an Iron. The ball flight in the air is less extreme with a wood than an Iron.

  Shot play is way too extreme at the moment, to make this standard.

  Just on a lighter note.... UL to me means Unlucky....lol

  -Roger

• LOLserver 3,522 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 7:14 AM

  sarak362336:

  Well Eric - if thats the way its going I will be off......

  I can only speak for myself - I find the game difficult enough as it is without the randomness of ULs.     I find constantly playing tournys in high winds a lottery and not a great deal of fun.  

  There are an elite bunch of players on here who as with any game dominate.  I realise I am not in that league and play the game for fun - when it becomes mentally draining just to hit a green or land a fairway the enjoyment ceases for me.

  Those who wish for the extra challenge I respect your views, but it is not for me.

  Sara

  That is the point Sara, that small group of players dominating the scene will ALSO be in trouble when landing on rough of big sloped fairway, or at least from rough they would have to find FIRST fairway then going for the flag, those players will have to be "less greedy" and accept; first fairway, then green and not; rough then green, in most cases..just like in reality.

  Again Sara, you learn the UL properly, you'll get good scores, that group of players will have to submit bad scores too. The way it is now, that group would simply the sh..t out of any us "regular" legends. I think this feature will make all of us more alike (scoring talking).

  What I like about this feature is that; on a good day you could be beaten the scores of any of those "gifted" players....and I always come back to the "a good 70 for qualifying would be great!. I see it already some top players submitting high 60´s and even low 70's...awesome!. I am personally tired of seeing those low 50's in important qualifying tournes..a high 60 is more "realistic".

  I do not think the UL is so precise as it is now, some things still could be better, more dots on the UL grid for example, bigger fairway/rough grid too for more information and the best I hope it get released...the draw-fade with the woods an low irons.

  Cheers, Eric

• LOLserver 3,522 Posts

  Mon, Dec 31 2012 7:27 AM

  I wish it would be possible to play alternates with UL...it would be awesome playing and talking to your mates about the uncountable choices for each shot, super cool way to learn the UL.

  Cheers, Eric