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At last! An Uneven Lies tourney... but...

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Fri, Jan 11 2013 7:33 PM (230 replies)
  • TallAcePaul
    1,455 Posts
    Fri, Jan 4 2013 6:05 AM

    That was my 4th proper round but I reckon I was fairly lucky with the lies I had. Sorry not playing much at all at the moment just grabbing rounds when I can, been on holiday so had a few fairly free days. My time is not my own at the moment so I am not committing to anything as cant guarantee I can play it. 

  • justinee
    260 Posts
    Fri, Jan 4 2013 2:16 PM

    Got screwed in my 2nd round. After 3 holes I logged of and when I returned to finish the round, the lie indicator wasn't available. So it became a guessing game which obviously worked out as expected - Fantastically out of whack !! Eventually after trying to log off and on, clearing cache etc and nothing workng, I had to quit after a few holes 'cause it was ridiculous !! 

    I did submit a bug report, but it was somewhat upsetting after having a good 1st round and not being able  to post a final round :( 

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    Congrats SEBICU for an awesome 60 in round 2 for the win !! 

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 9:05 AM

    I took a fourth and final attempt at the Kiawah UL Tourney. Shot a -11 61 with a HIO on the 8th. The Champ Speed Greens felt perfect finally and I hit it closer than I've ever done in UL play. 94% GIR and 100% fairways hit. 24 putts and came oh so close to making an Eagle on the 7th hole again with a flop shot. By the last three holes my hands were shaking like crazy. Birdied 17 with a laser shot 3W then flubbed an easy 8 foot birdie putt on 18. I just couldn't hold it together anymore. Can't wait for the single St A second round.

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 9:54 AM

    Well, I came through too with a great round of 64 this morning. This was my fourth attempt too, and finally felt like I was getting a grip on it, playing Unevens for the very first time with 'fancy clubs' ... heading out from new (to me) Master tees, and also trying to get a read on Kiawah's very odd greens. Not to mention the added challenge of needing to complete one's round in one go (as, if you save your game, on your return you'll find no lie grids to help you... a nice little extra twist to the difficulty!!!).

    My front 9 was awfully familiar, failing to birdie 2, 6, 7, and 8 with putts that shaved the hole. But on the back 9 I was on fire, and extremely lucky, making 6 birdies and finishing with a 64. I managed 83% GIR (86% fairways), and did it with 25 putts (almost 100ft in total distance, with a very handy 36 footer in there).

    Feels a bit of a relief to have talked up Unevens so much and finally posted a score worthy of my enthusiasm.

    Best of luck to everyone for the second round!

  • Penners
    1,707 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 10:46 AM

    Nice work guys, like CD, I'm also in with a 61 (improved my first 2 rounds by 1 stroke).

    Copied and pasted from my CC forum:

    Well I'm in with a 61 (28/33).... but after going out in 28 and -8 through 8 (all birds) and -11 through 12 I should have done better. Could only par the last 6 as the approach shots just landed that bit further away and the putts stopped dropping. Very close on all, but that's the way it goes. Did well to Par the 18th though after finding a side lie and 40/50 off the tee (should have pulled out of a meter skip). Punched to 33 just short of the green, uphill lie and added about 5 yards to normal, spun back to 0.3ft for an almost very unlikely birdie.

    I just missed 3 greens (9, 16 (from only 75 yards) and 18), 24 putts - had Eagle attempts from 30-35ft on the 7th and 11th just shave the hole - lovely little tailwinds on those helping me out.

    Looking forward to St Andrews in R2, but have never practiced there and doubt I'll have much time to - it could get messy!!! Staying out of trouble is the name of the game, but it ain't always that simple...

    Good luck everyone.

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 12:07 PM

    Practice on St A is vital if the wind is heavy. I just played a practice 18 with the wind all the way up, hard pin locations and Tourney Speed Greens. Shot -6 66 with a double bogie on 13 and 4 missed birdies by missing the ding like an idiot. But I birdied the Road Hole with 29 mph wind right to left so I'm not feeling too bad. Confidence is hard to come by.

  • LOLserver
    3,522 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 3:13 PM

    Well done guys...wish I have had your talent to putt...HELL!

    6 or 7 rounds with all GIR and fairways but miserable putting, nothing new in my stats :-(

    Sure, longing to putt in anything else then Kia...I wish we could have had Oak or Oly in the program, but it might be in the next invitationals.

    THANKS GOD UNEVEN LIES IS HERE, despite my bad rounds it simply makes my day :-)

    Hope WGT makes a weekly uneven lies tournament...PLEASE WGT DO THAT!

    Cheers, Eric

  • LOLserver
    3,522 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 3:32 PM

    Penners:

    Eric, as MBaggese said a few posts up, Tour Legends are on Champ Greens with Low Winds, with a mixture of new/old pins. Interested to hear that Legends are playing in Moderate winds, so your/their set-up is slightly harder.

    Well done to TaulAcePaul with his 58. Can't say I'm suprised though that someone has gone so low. I've only played it a couple of times and the scores are there by staying out of trouble, by hitting the fairways (Kia is arguably the easiest driving course on the game) and then making GIR. As always then putting becomes of paramount importance. As you said putting on Kiawah greens (especially on Champ speed) is quite a lot trickier than at BPB. Course management of course is far more important than usual and I'm sure this comes into play far more on courses like Olympic and Oakmont.

    This is all from rather limited experience I'll admit, but personally I think Uneven Lies is a good concept for experienced players. It adds an extra dimension to the game and forces you to think more around the course. I do worry if it might be too complicated for new players to take it all in - some might embrace the additional complexity/potential realism, but I feel more will be put off by too steep a learning curve.

    I still feel Uneven Lies need to be tamed down a bit more (especially on shorter shots from Wedge down) - not to make it easier, but I feel some courses (BPB/Kia) will play considerably easier than others (Oak/Oly), which doesn't seem quite right to me (maybe I'm off-base here).

    It's also quite a strange concept to feel you need to really attack and cash-in on the Par 3's, which traditionally tend to be hardest holes. I had a quick look at the 2012 PGA Championship Stats:

    http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/scoring/course_stats

    Score averages over the entire Tournament came in at:

    Par 3's - 3.227
    Par 4's - 4.120
    Par 5's - 4.920

    That's the order of difficulty I'd expect to see and I'm sure the same order of the majority of WGT players who have been playing a while. Of course the counter-arguement is that those numbers are way higher than the scores we would see on Kiawah with Even Lies by decent WGT players, and Uneven Lies helps to bring the numbers closer to those of the real Pro's.

    Slightly off tangent here, and I've been saying this for a while (since the Burners and Callies came in) but I'd also like to see equipment downgraded across the board / meter sped up (I know this won't happen - imagine the moaning!) to bring scoring up for everyone.

    Didn't mean to write so much there... better get back to work!

    Penners, man, you are so bloody right about the UL reflecting the WGT scores compare to the pros in statistics. Loved your post bud. 

    I insist, awesome scores under the tough UL conditions, despite seeing an isolated 58, 99% of the scores were 60's or over, that means that UL is giving everyone a real challenge to beat...just like the pros in such tough conditions at any Open.

    WGT should keep making this tournaments frequently if not an Invitational every week.

    It caught my attention the poor participation of the Tour Legends. I have been talking to some of my personal Tour Legend friends and all concluded it was too time consuming having a new factor in the preparation of the shot and that it was the reason they did not want to deal with uneven lies, although they did admit it was a new challenge.

    Not sure what is going to happen with the UL feature in the future but I hope the top WGT players (don't feel like recalling names) are willing to try it. I have the feeling that people are happy hitting fairways and not having anything else too think but wind and distance to think about...and of course seeing their fantastic scores even under 50!!!

    This is a game like any other in the net, but being a GOLF game it ought to have it´s "etiquette" .

    Regards, Eric

  • Solid1
    95 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 4:58 PM

    One thing they could do to get more Tour legends playing is not have your uneven lie scores affect your average but I think the only way people will really start playing it is if they have no choice like when they made us all legends and we had the huge distance difference  everyone was really upset myself included but after awhile we adapted . I am not sold on uneven lies yet because I still hit some shots where the balls aren't moving very much and it effects it  quit a bit and others hardly at all  but if its the future we might as well start learning it .

  • PETERGEORGE1
    572 Posts
    Sat, Jan 5 2013 5:08 PM

    Sorry to burst the bubble, but it's rubbish - in my opinion.    Those who like - you are welcome to it.   Put it up in a RG and see how many play........

    btw - congratz to the 58s posted already

    I'm sure that the only way scores will go is down and soon there will be the usual bleating that the scores are too low,,,, so when was the last Major headed by 58 on the first day...... lets make this more realistic..... blah blah blah

     

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