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  • tiffer67
    1,764 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 3:48 AM

    mohuyu:

    Shot selection is a joke now, which is why WGT is so keen to push UL even in it's unfinished state.

    I am in full agreement with you Mo, I have long argued against the current WGT strategy that sees ever improving clubs and slower meter speeds. 

    That topic and the issue regarding cheating are the two biggest concerns I have for the game. It would be nice for the powers that be to give us some feedback in the near future.

     

  • b0geybuster
    2,574 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 4:51 AM

    mohuyu:

    Let's take an isolated example of a mid-iron approach to the back pin of SA#4 with a moderate tail wind at 11 o'clock. A player hitting G10 irons with say Legend balls might easily ding the shot ten times and not be within 10ft. With that level of accuracy par is the expected result regardless of click accuracy. But for somebody hitting R11s, a ding might be the difference between a tricky 15ft putt and a simple 5ft putt. 

    Shot selection is a joke now, which is why WGT is so keen to push UL even in it's unfinished state.

    The bold part is the key, I have not come across too many truer statements here in the forums. 

    The days of the G10s and GI-SDs was a game of skill, and actually involved thought.

    Now it takes a matter of minutes to get a feel for these top level irons, and the game has become, aim, click, ding, and stop a 3I from 225 yds dead with a tail wind.  

    That same shot with the clubs noted above, would involve a lot more thought, like where should I land this so it rolls out 7-15 yds, and possibly get a rare chance at bird on #4 SAs.

    Every hole has become a birdie hole and has taken the shot selection right out of the game.

    I really enjoy the UL even in its current state. It punishes you for mistakes, and it makes you even look at your shots, including your drives, and sometimes even play a 3WD off the tee in hopes you get a flatter lie. The shot selection is way more important, bringing back some thought into the game.

    Many of the elite players aren't playing near as much as they used too, I would tend to believe for these reasons.

    Cheers,

    b0gey

     

  • thebigeasy707
    5,885 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 5:34 AM

    b0geybuster:
    and possibly get a rare chance at bird on #4 SAs.

    ^^ This ^^

    Wouldn't it be fun if WGT decided to chuck Uneven Lies into one of the US Open final rounds. :)

    That would throw a spanner in the works for sure.

  • mrcheatengine
    3 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 6:01 AM

    DEECENT

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 7:03 AM

    thebigeasy707:

    b0geybuster:
    and possibly get a rare chance at bird on #4 SAs.

    ^^ This ^^

    Wouldn't it be fun if WGT decided to chuck Uneven Lies into one of the US Open final rounds. :)

    That would throw a spanner in the works for sure.

     

    I'll be disappointed if the entire Quali round, and all 4 Open rounds aren't UL. IMO... it's time.

  • tripping
    30 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 8:35 AM

    all i need i a better driver

     

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 8:45 AM

    b0geybuster:
    The days of the G10s and GI-SDs was a game of skill, and actually involved thought.

    Yes, when we first got turned to legend we had to use G10's and tour balls.  People now have it too easy LOL.

    I've posted a few times in product suggestions, rather than rely on a hit & hope uneven lie (where a minimal lie effects ball 4 yard one hole yet a lesser lie next hole might effect it 12 yards, and UNREALISTIC around the green shots) A simple solution would be to limit every iron above 4 or 5 to ONLY 3 DOT SPIN.  This would add the realism back into the game where long irons actually roll a bit rather than stop like wedges.

    WGT doesn't know what it wants.  On the one hand they say scores are getting too low and they want to combat this yet next update they introduce irons, balls & drivers which make these low scores even more possible.,  Where's their logic?  Instead of giving us slower meter balls & irons, wouldn't it be better if the meter speeds were much faster, similar to how the i15's used to be.  yes you can have a more accurate set of irons, but its a risk with the faster meter.  Instead, WGT try and combat low scores my increasing the amount of blatantly obvious WTF deviation effected shots.

    And please, tone down the uneven lies because flat parts of the fairway shouldn't make ball go 15 yards left.

    As for uneven lies in open qualification, in just brings down the skill level.  You might at present in a normal round get 2 or 3 holes which are deviation effected and you might land 5 or 6 yards from pin.  All the uneven lies is give WGT the opportunity to give us 12 or 14 deviation effected holes, like a 120 PW travelling 70 yards in a minimal back to front lie on a flat part of the fairway.  How can people call this realistic???  You dont see shots getting effected by uneven lies in real life from nice fairways as you would here.  YES, If there's a hill or crater or I'm in rough EFFECT THE SHOT all you want, but when ball deviates 15 yards left or right or comes up 30 yards short from a perfect looking part of the fairway, as i said, just an excuse to DEVIATE more shots and limit scoring on the fly rather than being honest and reverting back to maybe lowering spin on long irons or relying on our own mistakes.

  • tiffer67
    1,764 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 9:13 AM

    tripping:

    all i need i a better driver

     

    You're obviously not tripping enough or you'd think you already had a better driver. Either that or a walking stick with a clog stuck on the end.

     

  • tripping
    30 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 9:25 AM

    no i have the starter driver

     

  • lvietri
    3,326 Posts
    Fri, Mar 15 2013 10:22 AM

    b0geybuster:
    I really enjoy the UL even in its current state. It punishes you for mistakes, and it makes you even look at your shots, including your drives, and sometimes even play a 3WD off the tee in hopes you get a flatter lie. The shot selection is way more important, bringing back some thought into the game.

    I have to agree with bogey here .... only thing I do NOT like about uneven lies .. is when you are in a Yellow or Red box .. the results are just not realistic at all.  Yes you should hit fairways and greens .. but in reality ... you can get out of greenside bunkers a lot easier than the game now lets you.   In fact lots of times the best place to leave your shots is in the greenside bunkers.   The penalty on Uneven Lies is just too severe now.

    Fix this and I think you have a product.

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