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NEW DRIVER BETWEEN LEVEL 88-94

• geraldlarousse 1,986 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 12:00 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  Away from the topic as exhausted in book LOL.......Out of purely inane interest is the R11S 3 wood any better or even worse than the R11 3 wood??

  LOL,,,, it is  :)

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 12:27 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  Away from the topic as exhausted in book LOL.......Out of purely inane interest is the R11S 3 wood any better or even worse than the R11 3 wood??

  I tell ya, R11S 3wood was the worst purchase I have made...can't really say it's worse than the R11 3w...but can definitely say I have seen none of the hyped "forgiveness"...my opinion just stick with the R11 3w and buy a few sleeves:)

• TeacHa 186 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 4:17 AM

  I'm dumbfounded by your comments about the lvl 85+ R11 3wood.
  
  It is hands down the worst purchase I've ever made, still mad at myself almost every game for 1) buying that sh.it, 2) selling the lvl 81+ g20 3wood...I would go back but my pride tells me "then THEY win!" lol..

  Especially on those long par 3's where you need a consistent 3wood, the r11 is flat out pathetic.

  
  Precision? lol. when I ding the 3wood, it won't go straight (and no, not because of wind, it just doesn't.) when I miss by literally a millimeter, it'll go 10+yrds off-line.

   

  But who knows, maybe / apparently it's just me, but I hate the R11 with all my heart and you can bet I'll skip that pathetic R11 lvl 88 driver after this with the 3wood, WGT.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 7:05 AM

  TeacHa:

  It is hands down the worst purchase I've ever made, still mad at myself almost every game for 1) buying that sh.it, 2) selling the lvl 81+ g20 3wood...I would go back but my pride tells me "then THEY win!" lol..

  Each to their own, and no disputing the HL G20 is a good 3 wood.  Personally I find the L85 R11 3 wood a good step up.  I don't think it holds the line at least as well  but it's higher trajectory (in practice) sticks greens that the G20 never seemed to, and that's the bit that really sold it for me............I would not swap my R11 3 wood for the G20......As say each to their own game though!

  The L88 R11 driver (love hate that annoying dinosaur thing) did help lower the scores in my game.  That extra couple of yards just edges it for whatever reason for me.............

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 12:54 PM

  Jimbog1964:

  Each to their own, and no disputing the HL G20 is a good 3 wood.  Personally I find the L85 R11 3 wood a good step up.  I don't think it holds the line at least as well  but it's higher trajectory (in practice) sticks greens that the G20 never seemed to, and that's the bit that really sold it for me.

  I'm 100% with Jim on the R11 3W. I was very happy with the G20 3W, and it does hold it's line much better than the R11 3W. I tried the R11 3W on the last free rental weekend and played CCC #2  and to a lessor degree Oly #3 repeatedly to see how the trajectory would hold the ball better. It was significantly better at holding the greens playing to an elevated green  so I purchased on that alone and I wouldn;t go back now.

• DoctorEagle 1,312 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 5:39 PM

  alanti:

  My conclusion - its the player and experience, NOT the driver. Certainly a better driver is a help but this proves that you can compete regardless of driver. provided you are good enough.

  Based on that logic, someone would be able to compete with the starter clubs. The evidence clearly shows that it is the player AND the equipment. And that it's very tough to compete w/ out the R11s or higher. No matter how good you are.
  

   

• DoctorEagle 1,312 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 5:46 PM

  alanti:

  Not by you Jim, but was by DoctorEagle - he was saying to compete you need this the R11S so thats why I have been like a dog with a bone on this point. And I agree no-one has been disputed experience counts, but like the dog with a bone, I wanted reiterate my point about "competing".

  That's not what I said.

  What I said was that "with all the new equipment out there at other levels, the performance for drivers at or below Legend L94- don't compare with the performance of drivers at the other tiers/levels.. At least when distance from the tees is taken into consideration."

  That and the fact "that they moved the R11s driver from L90 to L94 after many players had the chance to purchase.. so the club has saturated the WGT L90+ ranks and in the meantime, the clubs for players hitting from the TM- tees and L94/L98+ keep getting much, much better. With that combination, it's tougher to consistently compete for the L93- legend crowd that doesn't use the R11s driver."

• Jresh0817 1,414 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 7:03 PM

  TeacHa:

  I'm dumbfounded by your comments about the lvl 85+ R11 3wood.
  
  It is hands down the worst purchase I've ever made, still mad at myself almost every game for 1) buying that sh.it, 2) selling the lvl 81+ g20 3wood...I would go back but my pride tells me "then THEY win!" lol..

  Especially on those long par 3's where you need a consistent 3wood, the r11 is flat out pathetic.

  
  Precision? lol. when I ding the 3wood, it won't go straight (and no, not because of wind, it just doesn't.) when I miss by literally a millimeter, it'll go 10+yrds off-line.

   

  But who knows, maybe / apparently it's just me, but I hate the R11 with all my heart and you can bet I'll skip that pathetic R11 lvl 88 driver after this with the 3wood, WGT.

  I agree,just awful when it comes to holding the line....that and much faster meter!

   

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 7:18 PM

  DoctorEagle:

  That's not what I said.

  No you didn't say that but what you did say "it's tougher to compete" and also inferred as a result a lot of players would not play premium tournaments like RG's.

  What I am saying if you have reasonable equipment (and the R11 Driver is more that just reasonable) you can compete on a regular basis, provided you are good enough and in particular can putt well - this is where 90% of games are won or lost, not the drive. No starters equipment will not cut it off Legend tees (taken somewhat literally lol)  but provided you can reach greens in regulation you can.

  This is clearly demonstrated in the weekly/monthly free tournaments and even in the Virtual Open top 50. Only 3 legends out of how many legends in the game, in the top 50 - none using the R11S. And out of the 10 level 94 players and under, 60% did not have the R11S.

  DoctorEagle:

  With that combination, it's tougher to consistently compete for the L93- legend crowd that doesn't use the R11s driver."

  So personally your statement does not quite cut it IMO. If you are saying you are an average player (like me) the R11S will give you a slight advantage, but still probably will not compete on a consistent basis anyway, I will agree.

  And that's what we are talking about, a slight advantage. Its like you use the Nike ball over my Cally (and yes I do have a choice on these) which have more distance and spin, but is this the game changer that makes me less competitive?

  And as time goes by less and less of those players who were lucky enough to get the R11S before it was moved will be above that level anyway. From the day WGT moved away from tiered clubs, some players have always, and will always have equipment that may not be the best available to their peers.  WGT got this wrong releasing the club at the wrong level and then corrected the mistake. Whilst I was annoyed at the time, I have accepted it, possibly you could follow suit, as it will not be reverted. And at the end of the day. I still have a club that can compete consistently with those with the R11S - sadly as I said, I am just an average player though.

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Tue, May 28 2013 9:15 PM

  alanti:

  What I am saying if you have reasonable equipment (and the R11 Driver is more that just reasonable) you can compete on a regular basis, provided you are good enough

   

  Yep, I mentioned that a bit earlier, provided my "real life WGT info"...LMAO!...but some refuse not to believe it.

   

  Arrow good?

  Miss the bullseye?

   

  Need  better Indian.

  Oh well, ladies and gents, I'm out of this thread...if some choose to believe they "need" something to compete...well...live with it, complain about it, etc...but by all means do not learn what you have and try to be competitive, as that would go against all logic.