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VEM in WGT explained

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 5:40 AM

  PRStevenson:

  With all respect is that a question or a statement? If they have please tell me what revelation I've missed?

  4th response to your original post. This is what comes from researching what he meant.

  The 5th post contains a link to the original discovery of the VEM patent and a resulting discussion from 3 1/2 years ago!

• pipeman1370 109 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 6:29 AM

  I don't know if WGT is working on correcting the problems this VEM is creating but the fact is, it is throwing most shots way short or to long. Putts that should have gone in the hole, missed by 1 inch. Really. You have created a game that if you had a professional computer tech come in to find operational bugs. They would shut the system down because of all the mistakes. Have a real PGA  Pro come in and play a round with the VEM on them and see what their response is. If they would say it's more realistic. I know when They play a course, they have calculations they have learned to get a controlled response from their action. They know what club and swing will work because it was the same or similar every time. Here it is so inconsistent you don't know what to hit. Sometimes you get lucky but most times not and thats aggrevating. 

  You will continue to get  bad comments until you realize that it was a mistake to change what was working so well. Probably a suggestion from a young, just out of college tech that sold you on the Novus1000v VEM as a marketing tool to get more people to upgrade their equipment  to get the VEM removed from their account. Make there game more like it was before. To try to create a more level playing field is like saying that Legend or Tour master can now be beaten by the Amateur or Pro player who drives from a tee 46 yrds forward.

  Let the Amateur and Pro play as much as we have and they will get to higher tiers and but better equipment. Don't interfere with what was working to try to control the outcome by force. That's ridiculous to even think that if you punish the people, they will buy from you. What company ever survived by doing that? I don't know  what company did and if there was one, I doubt their still around.

  You will not get a straight  answer because they don't want us to know that they made a mistake and it was being used  for personal gain. They could be sued. Unless they come out and admit what the VEM was intended to do and if it is going to be removed.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 6:35 AM

  pipeman1370:

  Probably a suggestion from a young, just out of college tech that sold you on the Novus1000v VEM as a marketing tool to get more people to upgrade their equipment  to get the VEM removed from their account.

  Whatever in the world is in that pipe you are smoking? Upgrade equipment to get rid of VEM?? 

  You really need to understand the whole scene, you're not even close. Read the link Lvietri posted from well over a year before you even showed up!

• Tightrope 1,072 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 7:07 AM

  Worst thing with VEM, IMO, is that it makes us paranoid, it gives us excuses. We see VEM everywhere. Same as with the meter. When we miss we scream meter. Meter is bad enough to work as a good excuse everytime. VEM can be used as a variation. Playing alt shots, you'll notice that.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 7:21 AM

  Tightrope:

  Worst thing with VEM, IMO, is that it makes is paranoid, it gives us excuses

  Does it ever, great point. More than an excuse I see it more of a shrug of the shoulders when something doesn't go as planned, much like the pros do when they make a bad shot or get an unexpected result. 

  If one believes WGT is doing everything in their power to replicate the RL game then VEM begins to make some sort of perverted sense if you look at the whole picture. Watching the real thing and seeing there what you see here is pretty amazing.

  The end result is what they're after but getting to it seems to be the bone of contention. We have the game under an electron microscope with a myriad of good minds addressing the idiosyncrasies of it and that's tough to do from the outside in. It does make for some interesting takes.  :-)

• Tightrope 1,072 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 11:59 AM

  YankeeJim:

  VEM begins to make some sort of perverted sense if you look at the whole picture.

  Still, some transparency from WGT would not hurt. If VEM considers your current form, your last shot, then it is harder to accept than a simple random generator. I suspected a VEM round again on, I think, Monday. A friendly VEM. My bad shots landed much closer than they should. Did not help much though since I putted like an idiot.

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 12:55 PM

  But when you see the real thing from  " the pros" they did something wrong , pushed it ,pulled it something. we are getting penalized for executing the proper shot. That's what is BS

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 1:10 PM

  Woodoworkery:

  But when you see the real thing from  " the pros" they did something wrong , pushed it ,pulled it something. we are getting penalized for executing the proper shot. That's what is BS

  Ahhh you've touched on why VEM is actually necessary, Gary. It's too easy to point and click and play by the numbers. Aim there, ding it, land where you aimed. Where's the realism in that? You can't rely on human error in front of a video game to make less than perfect shots so it gets forced on you. That's why you have to get past HOW they do it, accept the result and make the best of it from there.  :-)

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 1:48 PM

  YankeeJim:

  That's why you have to get past HOW they do it, accept the result and make the best of it from there

   

  But I sure do hate it when you have a 9.8 foot putt, 1 inch elevation into 15 MPH wind at SA...played at a bit over 2/3rds power on my 15 foot scale...ding it...and falls 6 inches short...greens were somewhere between slow and fast T Greens...but still...that shot drops all day long, except in a 300cr RG...lol!!!

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Thu, Jun 13 2013 1:57 PM

  Jim thats where our human nature kicks in, trying to ding the shot or miss the ding at a certain point. Dealing with a skipping or lagging meter.

  But it's like you said " it is what it is "  and it still is not fair to the players that are doing it.

  Just look at last week or so when the BS hit Notonthis . We are not on the course we can't feel the wind, we have no actual visual of the distance to the hole. All we have is the information they provide. You would think that information would be truthful.