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WGT's new method of determinng scoring avg...

• hakman123 2,119 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 8:13 AM

  alosso:

  Add Bandon to those ranked rounds not counting...

  hakman123:

  So improving your worst score by 10 strokes will improve your average by only 0.02      (10 / 30,000)

  Ehm - a typo: 10/500

  ty   at least somebody checks      corrected above.

  I don't think they get it.  WGT don't want people to easily see when they are going to level up. That is why they do not advertise the criteria, and do not let you see how many RRs you have played that count towards your average. Hence it requires some effort to maintain the records and the count yourself.

  The point that was raised was that their average should be dropping by much more than 0.01 for a 58. My response shows that 0.01 is the expected drop for 500 Ranked Rounds. Now suddenly their argument is that I am an idiot for expecting that anyone can keep such records.

  I am not expecting others to do this --- but simply responding to show that it is correct. I know of many others who keep similar records and all are correctly following the WGT average. I think it is fair to say that EVERY average is correctly calculated by WGT. To think that you are special and have an average that WGT secretly manipulates differently to everyone else is just nuts!

• 949 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 9:04 AM

  I agree with the OP that WGT should adjust the way our averages and Tiers are calculated.

  Honestly, I should not be in the Champion Tier.  I can shoot low scores on occasion, but my average is just what it states- around 61-62.  I will never be able to compete against true Champions or Tour Legends on here.  To date, I am close to understanding the game, but just like real golf averages, there is a huge difference in a 3 handicap player and a scratch golfer.  

  But I keep punishing myself each day trying to get better.  Fun game to try to master.  congrats to those that have.

  Dan

• alosso 21,083 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 10:30 AM

  MTBR:

  Yours may be correct but that doesn't mean all others are correct.

  Enough is enough!

  You don't understand it, and now you come up with unproven tales of "wrong calculations", just to cover your weakness. I can't do anything for you then - EOD.

• EasyEdward 13,507 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 1:10 PM

  MTBR:

  How would one go about finding how many Ranked Rounds at a particular tier they have?

   

  The simple answer is Math.

  The slightly more complex answer is by watching a person's average before and after each round for 10 to 20 rounds mathematical formulas can eliminate all the possible number of rounds and strokes hit combinations except for one - which then is exactly the number of rounds played. 

  The spreadsheet programming is complex when calculating for Legend tier due to the fact that all that is known is something less than 500 have been played and the rounding to 2 decimal points by WGT.  Due to that the number of strokes hit for all possible number of rounds exceeds 1,500 calculations for each starting and ending average. It took me the better part of a day to develop the spreadsheet, but once programmed it can be used over and over again.

  I have run the program for members of my CC (and non CC members for a couple of sleeves of balls) and the only one I was off on was a fellow CC member who saturated during the 10 rounds while I was making the calculations for him. 

  EE

• KILLER52 768 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 2:33 PM

  As Ed can attest, (there's your attorney talk bud...lol), I am his miscalculation.  Figures.

  - T

  :)

• hakman123 2,119 Posts

  Sun, Nov 15 2015 1:22 AM

  EasyEdward:

  The slightly more complex answer is by watching a person's average before and after each round for 10 to 20 rounds mathematical formulas can eliminate all the possible number of rounds and strokes hit combinations except for one - which then is exactly the number of rounds played. 

  The easier method is to tell them all to note down the number of RRs when they tier up.

  But yes --  you can look at movements in your average after each round and estimate how many rounds played within a small margin of error. Then do the same thing again for a few more rounds. If the scores used are far away from the average, then you can very quickly determine the exact number of Ranked Rounds the average is being calculated on -- as the roundings all have to match exactly. If a lot of scores are very close to the average they do not help much and it takes more scores. By 20 rounds you should have nailed the exact number of rounds.

  The bottom line here is that this assumes that ALL WGT average calculations are correct. The fact there a lot of others are doing these calculations and finding NO ERRORS is just more supporting evidence that these calculations are uniform and correct for all players.

  Thanks EE for further support to the position that there is no conspiracy to the Average Calculations.

• EasyEdward 13,507 Posts

  Sun, Nov 15 2015 9:35 AM

  KILLER52:

  As Ed can attest, (there's your attorney talk bud...lol), I am his miscalculation.  Figures.

  - T

  :)

  I put in a line saying my one miscalculation will show up if I did not mention it - then deleted it.  Lo and Behold - you did T.  That just goes to prove that cheesehead fans DO stalk Seahawk fans.  LOL

  hakman123:

  The bottom line here is that this assumes that ALL WGT average calculations are correct. The fact there a lot of others are doing these calculations and finding NO ERRORS is just more supporting evidence that these calculations are uniform and correct for all players.

  Thanks EE for further support to the position that there is no conspiracy to the Average Calculations.

  Yes it is easier to track them especially once Legend Tier is reached.  Many members however do not think about and / or learn that until they discover that they should have.

  I have tracked my progress / average through every tier and WGT's calculations always matched my calculations exactly.  

  Well, except in Tour Master tier where I had 3 Match Play wins against Legends in my first few days as a Tour Master.  Based on my experience there and gathering information from other members of The Peoples Club I have a good guess at the algorithm used by WGT for MP wins over higher tier players, but not for all tiers. Of course collectively the community could figure it out exactly IF the player's submitting the information to those analyzing the information had a complete record of everything they did in the tier (to determine the number of strokes used in the computations).

  EE