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Sun, Nov 15 2015 9:35 AM (56 replies)
  • slillico
    393 Posts
    Tue, Sep 3 2013 2:40 AM

    MBaggese:
    Mr honesty is gonna be another whiner on the forum, all the while he'd been picking and choosing "high average players" who he was pretty sure he could beat...then got his ass handed to him.

    Absolutely bang on, Mr Honesty has been looking under the wrong rocks for pieces of gold.

    The MPC matches, used to be referred as the underground, the underbelly of WGT, IMHO the absolute best part of this game bar none.

    However playing with strangers, that's what you get, strange play.

    The OP is not alone, there are oodles of legends in there looking for easy pickings, I'm just not sure they are there to be found. Obviously you might find the odd honest sole in there who stumbled upon the format.

    I have always considered the average as a false/positive indicator, 60ish and below, typically fairly honest, 63 and above is assumed as likely better than that, and 67 and above as pure fabrication. These were easier before the changes, IMHO, there are plenty of TM and below carrying around low 60 averages that are not at all indicative of their actual ability. Having said that, I place low weight on average when I'm making my decision.

    So with those assumptions in mind in now look at record, but again, I have my eyes open to this possible pure fabrication as well. Ever try free play MP? Well it's full of the fastest forfeit's in the west. What's that about you ask? record manipulation I answer. There are plenty of individuals who know exactly what someone like the OP is looking for, and are only to happy to provide it for you.

    Finally and most importantly, I look at tier and level, I have an up to date knowledge of the current equipment, the specs and the level they open at, I also have a general idea of tee advantage.

    Finally, I do not have an inflated opinion of my own ability.

    So using all this currently available information, how I feel today, I make the decision to play and make that decision while I'm still yellow.

    Now back to the OP, I have played in the MPC for years, I'm can honestly say, and no offense, you are not even remotely nearly close to being good enough to be playing strangers for credits.

    No matter what information WGT decides to implement, you will still be needing/requiring the honesty of strangers. You have a far better chance with the game mechanics giving you the can't miss and the opp the can't hit round. But that IMHO might hit somewhere around 1 in 10 rounds.

    Which brings up another piece of advice from me, a 50/50 record in MPC is still a losing proposition.

    Stay away, far away from MPC, it's clearly not for you and you are not good enough to be there. But if you happen to be addicted to it and like the format, expect to lose and all your donations will be gladly accepted..

     

  • AceHoler26
    347 Posts
    Tue, Sep 3 2013 5:40 PM

    slillico:
    Now back to the OP, I have played in the MPC for years, I'm can honestly say, and no offense, you are not even remotely nearly close to being good enough to be playing strangers for credits.

    No matter what information WGT decides to implement, you will still be needing/requiring the honesty of strangers. You have a far better chance with the game mechanics giving you the can't miss and the opp the can't hit round. But that IMHO might hit somewhere around 1 in 10 rounds.

    Which brings up another piece of advice from me, a 50/50 record in MPC is still a losing proposition.

    Stay away, far away from MPC, it's clearly not for you and you are not good enough to be there. But if you happen to be addicted to it and like the format, expect to lose and all your donations will be gladly accepted..

     

    Well Mr Know It All....it seems you are mistaken.  While I have not played a ton of challenges as of this writing, I have won more than I have lost when playing for credits.  Kind of blows the rest of your post out of the water as well.

    Perhaps you are the one who should be staying away from MPC.

  • slillico
    393 Posts
    Tue, Sep 3 2013 6:48 PM

    AceHoler26:

    Well Mr Know It All....it seems you are mistaken.  While I have not played a ton of challenges as of this writing, I have won more than I have lost when playing for credits.  Kind of blows the rest of your post out of the water as well.

    Perhaps you are the one who should be staying away from MPC.

    That means that in 18 holes I am playing not quite an average of -1 for a Par 72 course.

    Carry on then, all donations will be accepted with a kind Thank You..

    Take care.

     

     

  • AceHoler26
    347 Posts
    Tue, Sep 3 2013 7:54 PM

    slillico:

    AceHoler26:

    Well Mr Know It All....it seems you are mistaken.  While I have not played a ton of challenges as of this writing, I have won more than I have lost when playing for credits.  Kind of blows the rest of your post out of the water as well.

    Perhaps you are the one who should be staying away from MPC.

    That means that in 18 holes I am playing not quite an average of -1 for a Par 72 course.

    Carry on then, all donations will be accepted with a kind Thank You..

    Take care.

     

     

     

    Probably would stand a good chance of beating your butt :)

  • slillico
    393 Posts
    Tue, Sep 3 2013 8:04 PM

    AceHoler26:

    slillico:

    AceHoler26:

    Well Mr Know It All....it seems you are mistaken.  While I have not played a ton of challenges as of this writing, I have won more than I have lost when playing for credits.  Kind of blows the rest of your post out of the water as well.

    Perhaps you are the one who should be staying away from MPC.

    That means that in 18 holes I am playing not quite an average of -1 for a Par 72 course.

    Carry on then, all donations will be accepted with a kind Thank You..

    Take care.

     

     

     

     

    Probably would stand a good chance of beating your butt :)

    I'm in, tell you what, I'll spot you 1rst hole and concede 5 feet.

     

  • Fekdrink
    138 Posts
    Wed, Sep 4 2013 8:36 AM

    MBaggese:

    AceHoler26:

    Result: Mr Honesty was just fleeced out of 500 credits by Mr Sandbagger.

       Does that make sense ?  It does to me.

    No...Mr Honesty was looking for easy pickings, and got picked.

     

    Mr honesty is gonna be another whiner on the forum, all the while he'd been picking and choosing "high average players" who he was pretty sure he could beat...then got his ass handed to him.

     

    Anything goes in MPC...deal with it, or don't play.

    I want to state at the start of this reply that I do not wish to cause offence to anyone who plays Match Play for credits. Secondly that I have no idea what percentage of the WGT population play MPC.

    But.

    I think you guys are seriously missing the point re "Sandbaggers". By that I mean you're not looking at the bigger picture.

    I have to say I agree with MBaggese.The Legend looking to take credits from say a Tour Pro is in no higher moral position than the Tour Pro hidng his true skills looking to take credits from a Legend. They are both looking for easy prey. OK the Legend may be more honest, but their motives are identical. Sorry if that offends anyone. As has been mentioned you can always look at MP records or perhaps winnings. If they've won a lot in a short space of time you can steer clear.

    No the real crime of "Sandbagging" is the cleaning up of Tournaments be they weekly, monthly or RGs. This affects far more honest players than Match Play. Denying them the chance to play on a level playing field. In the case of RGs taking credits from the honest players pockets. And in these you have no chance of spotting the "Bagger". Even in the RG as I suspect they enter late, when the tournament is almost full.

    So what's my solution? After all there's no point whinging unless you can offer some sort of answer to he problem. Well here's two possible fixes. Try not to focus on the exact figures, just the principles.

    1). When someone has won three or more Tournaments promote them to the next Tier. Similarly if they've had five or more top ten finishes at any Tier. If they keep playing and keep doing well they'll soon find their natural skill level.

    2) Have a Tournament average. Let's say ten rounds. So for example best ten under two over as hack move to amateur. Best ten under par from Amateur to Pro. Best ten under three under Pro to Tour Pro. Best ten under five under Tour Pro to Master. Best ten under six under Master to Tour Master. And finally best ten better than seven under Tour Master to Legend.

    As I said, don't focus on the numbers per se, just the basic idea. Mr Moneybagging Sandbagger would very soon end up at Legend where he could have his ar*e handed to him on a plate. This would of course mean he couldn't con someone in Match Play either.

    And if they kept restarting from the same ISP address it would be easy for WGT to spot. If they really did want to address the issue of course.

    Right I'm now putting on my tin hat and retiring to the concrete bunker. 

  • dyashpal
    286 Posts
    Thu, Sep 12 2013 5:21 AM

    I am foxed about the WGT scoring average!

    I am at L93 Master this morning I started with an avg. or 66.60 

    I played my country club trny (Bethpage) and shot 2 under my average went down to 66.55

    In the afternoon I played St.Andrew tourny and shot 6 under but my avg. went down only 0.05 to 66.50??

    Who the dickens do they calculate scores SOMEONE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME! Thanks

  • alosso
    21,083 Posts
    Thu, Sep 12 2013 11:46 AM

    Please talk about gross scores with regards to average.

    You are a Master with average 66.6, obviously saturated (>100 ranked Master rounds).

    I see scores at BPB 37, 33, 36, at STA 66, 71, in between others with 71 and 75.

    Probably only the 33 would count (as 66), and the 66. These are equal, thus it's not too astonishing that the outcome is equal, -.05.

    Each stroke of amelioration counts -1/40 = -.25, thus you have eliminated 2x 68 (34) scores from the scores pool.

    Happy hitting!

  • hatch62
    57 Posts
    Thu, Sep 26 2013 10:57 AM

    my average never changes. what is the problem?

     

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Thu, Sep 26 2013 11:24 AM

    hatch62:

    my average never changes. what is the problem?

     

    It's because you havent produced a score lower than your average for quite a while. 

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