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Thu, Sep 2 2010 1:30 AM (149 replies)
  • VanHalenLover
    1,422 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:24 PM

    YankeeJim:

    VanHalenLover:
    I have never been in a position to have to mask or change my IP address YJ

    Um, OK. Whatever you say.

    And again YJ, if you wish to expound on the innuendos feel free. And if you think there is something that needs to be reported to WGT, feel free. You see, unlike your compatriot, I have no issues answering these types of questions because I have nothing to hide. Do you have anything specific, or would you rather prefer to continue acting like a child?

    I'll consider this tirade completed, unless you need anything further.....

     

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:26 PM

    VanHalenLover:
    I'll consider this tirade completed, unless you need anything further.....

    Matter of fact I do but I can't prove it yet. I will. 

    What was that about name calling?

  • sharmo01
    1 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:30 PM

    is there any way to  ban or  drop averages of players that disconect all the time on purpose   mainy pros  when they start off bad

  • cozmozogg
    167 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:38 PM

    of course you would not have such displays in a tourney/match play. but, for the same reason that makes cubase 5.1 [musician software] or photoshop cs5 so cool is that those features are available should you want to use them. having the option to display these features, play in rain and/or extreme conditions, and adjust settings for green speeds, pins, etc. is what will make the already great WGT experience even better:)

  • cozmozogg
    167 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:44 PM

    in terms of the cheating [the original post?...i have forgotten], i have read about more complaints of sandbaggers, cheat software, and multiple accounts than anything else. i would sincerely hope than WGT takes it very seriously and has daily brainstorm sessions to fix these issues to the best of their ability. i think we are all hoping they will be implemented soon [along with the Wall of Shame], because we all get some satisfaction in seeing the barry bonds's of this site busted...

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:46 PM

    VanHalenLover:
    I'd love to hear your technical expertise on why you think IP mapping will work for blocking accounts.

    I don't think it works, I know it works from having moderated forums for several years and blocking disruptive posters and double account attempts.  I know of all the pitfalls you point out from experience and the bottom line is still it doesn't have to be perfect and it will work to stop those who don't have the means or smarts to change their ISP whenever they get banned.

    VanHalenLover:
    I would be interested in hearing your opinions on why I am against it, from you or any of the 'many others' that already know the answer. Is it different than what I posted here, lol?!

    If you're attempting to de-rail this topic too I'm not going to participate.

  • VanHalenLover
    1,422 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:50 PM

    YankeeJim:

    VanHalenLover:
    I'll consider this tirade completed, unless you need anything further.....

    Matter of fact I do but I can't prove it yet. I will. 

    What was that about name calling?

    What is it you are trying to prove YJ? I might be able to help.

    re: name calling - I was saying, in another thread, that a certain user resorts to name calling all too often. He also goes unpunished all too often. Why do you bring it up here? It's off topic here, best we address that via PM if you need help there.

  • VanHalenLover
    1,422 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:58 PM

    andyson:
    I don't think it works, I know it works from having moderated forums for several years and blocking disruptive posters and double account attempts.  I know of all the pitfalls you point out from experience and the bottom line is still it doesn't have to be perfect and it will work to stop those who don't have the means or smarts to change their ISP whenever they get banned.

    If you had any experience at all, you would understand why it does not work. Did you block them by IP address, or did you disable their accounts? There is a big difference there.

    andyson:

    VanHalenLover:
    I would be interested in hearing your opinions on why I am against it, from you or any of the 'many others' that already know the answer. Is it different than what I posted here, lol?!

    If you're attempting to de-rail this topic too I'm not going to participate.

    So once again, your innuendos are perfectly acceptable, but my reply to them is an attempt to derail the thread?

    You want answers, ask the questions, I'll happily provide information, advice, or opinions as I can, and step aside when I can't. If you can't accept them and feel the need to keep using the innuendos and dodging what you really want to ask, that's your issue, not mine. But don't expect me NOT to point it out every time, cause I'm growing tired of it really quickly. I could care less if you and your cronies have an agenda against me, but these threads are not the place to air it. Once they are aired, you better believe I will respond.

    Go back and re-read all of the threads that you feel I am putting at risk, and you will see a common pattern in each and every one of them. All of the off-topic posts have been at the hands of a response to innuendos from the same posters who apparently have an agenda against me. You want to throw mud, you better expect to get your hands dirty.

     

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 1:28 PM

    VanHalenLover:

    andyson:
    I don't think it works, I know it works from having moderated forums for several years and blocking disruptive posters and double account attempts.  I know of all the pitfalls you point out from experience and the bottom line is still it doesn't have to be perfect and it will work to stop those who don't have the means or smarts to change their ISP whenever they get banned.

    If you had any experience at all, you would understand why it does not work. Did you block them by IP address, or did you disable their accounts? There is a big difference there.

    If you were open minded at all you would agree it can work in certain instances but not work in all. And I do understand the difference between IP blocking and disabling an account.

     

  • VanHalenLover
    1,422 Posts
    Tue, Aug 31 2010 2:10 PM

    andyson:
    If you were open minded at all you would agree it can work in certain instances but not work in all. And I do understand the difference between IP blocking and disabling an account.

    Yes andy, it can work temporarily like you stated, as some users are not knowledgeable about masking or changing IP addresses.

    The damage that this technique exposes the host site to, far outweigh any temporary benefits. IP addresses are constantly changing. Sooner or later, many of those technically challenged users would have access again, with no manipulation, as their own IP addresses change via natural lease renewals. Not all IP addresses are static, and again, even those that are can be changed or masked or proxied.

    andyson:
    I don't think it works, I know it works from having moderated forums for several years and blocking disruptive posters and double account attempts. 

    Let me ask you this. If you blocked someones IP as you previously stated, what measures did you have in place to ensure that a change of IP wasn't being used that allowed them to re-register? How were you able to track how successful you were by using IP blocking?It's an easy claim to make, but if you had no identity check in place that would catch someone registering with a new IP address, you would have no idea how successful you were.

    andyson:
    I know of all the pitfalls you point out from experience and the bottom line is still it doesn't have to be perfect and it will work to stop those who don't have the means or smarts to change their ISP whenever they get banned.

    Changing isp's is not necessary in order to change ones I.P.

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