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Wk50 Free Cabo 18 Single Play Uneven Lies

Tue, Dec 17 2013 9:27 AM (45 replies)
  • DAZZA501
    5,972 Posts
    Mon, Dec 9 2013 4:36 PM

    I don't understand why people don't want to see more UL tournies. You don't have to play them if you don't want to. What difference does it make if there's 4 even lie tournies and 4 uneven lie tournies. If you only want to play even lies then we're not forcing you to do otherwise. The more the merrier i say.

    P.S. I forgot to add that i love the fact that it's single play and not that mess up the 1st hole so start again rubbish that wgt seem to love so much.

  • firemangeorge
    15 Posts
    Mon, Dec 9 2013 4:49 PM

    Odd. Got a 9 on the 1st hole to start out +5!  Almost quit after that but said "What the heck" and trudged on. The next 17 were -4 with a bogey on 18. WTH.

    I'm thinking hole #1 is really exaggerated as far as the lies. My second shot was in the rough beside the green and would NOT come out. Took 5 shots to get on the green from 12 yards.

  • Boomerboy44
    1,514 Posts
    Mon, Dec 9 2013 5:25 PM

    Still to  exaggerated  for me. If your a gamer and like a challenge then it is  probably  a lot of fun to figure out, if your a golfer the shots are just to unrealistic. If they would get off their butts and fix it, it would add a new dimension to the game.   Until  then.....not for me.

  • cappiest
    1,346 Posts
    Mon, Dec 9 2013 8:08 PM

    Well personally I don't play them.....there Is no comparison to real golf or wgt golf with this format.....its far too exaggerated. I play it like I would a real golf game lie and its just horrible.

     

  • geraldlarousse
    1,986 Posts
    Mon, Dec 9 2013 8:17 PM

    cappiest:

    Well personally I don't play them.....there Is no comparison to real golf or wgt golf with this format.....its far too exaggerated. I play it like I would a real golf game lie and its just horrible.

     

    +1 

    I think if they toned it down a bit would get a lot more players interested.

    Most players try it........then watch a brand new Nike fly off in somebody's yard.... then done with that...lol.

    The shots around the green are flat out ridiculous. I think they could do plenty with this setup. Don't see why they stopped working on it.

    This setup with the ability to work the ball would be the best game play. But then again with the ability to draw and fade the ball would cancel out any UL.

    Soo then would be back to where we are now. Give me the option to work the ball and i would love this setup.

    But still i think they should have tourneys for players that like this setup,, i see no problem with that at all.

  • andwhy67
    2,816 Posts
    Mon, Dec 9 2013 9:22 PM

    I had a 76, certainly could have been better, and some of the shot results were definately worth a WTF! But it was the first time l'd played one.

    15th hole i was down the bank, 10 yds from the pin, the square around my feet was 'pulsing' red, dinged the shot and the ball went straight left...........mmm!!

    Ok it needs some tweaking, at the moment these are not for me, given time and 'fixes' maybe?

    Introduce this to the game full time, not just in tourneys but in the ranked round format etc, WGT will have people leaving in droves, its not everybodies cup of tea.

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Tue, Dec 10 2013 12:26 AM

    I want to add my thanks to WGT for offering what I hope is the first of many weekly, and free, uneven lie tourneys. Please know there are a lot of dedicated players out there that really want that extra challenge, and as others have said, variety is great. We don't want to deny the 'flat-earthers' their beliefs (!!!), we just want some of the real stuff!

    Also, please let's not turn this thread into another complaint session about unevens. Sure, it isn't entirely realistic, but it's a lot more realistic than finding a perfectly flat lie every time. Around the greens is particularly hard, but to my mind that's where WGT in this gameplay more perfectly simulates Major-level golf. These are the courses the Majors are played on; it's not the week-in, week-out PGA tour with bunkers from which the pros expect to knock it stone dead every time. In the Majors the courses are set up tough, so that if you miss a green, perhaps by getting ambitious in aiming at the flag, you pay a heavy penalty. To me, the difficulty of severe lies around the green better simulates the experience of playing top-level golf.

    Please check out the many forum threads offering advice on getting to grips with unevens (good places to start are listed below). Yes, it's a steep learning curve, but now we have the mulligan feature, so there's really no excuse not to load up with starter balls (so that your practice is free!), step out onto a course in unevens practice mode, and begin to figure it out. Playing with starters (even starter clubs) is, IMO, the best way to learn. That's how we all started in this game, after all, and it really helps to go back to basics.

    One of the reasons it's tough around the greens is that the loft on the 'fancy-club' wedges is so extreme. Greater loft exaggerates the effects of an angled lie, essentially increasing the angles... and that's why you get what seem to be WTF shots. Try pitches, or punches instead, and club up until you get a good idea what a red lie box means, and what the speed of the dots are telling you.

    Above all, if you try it, change your expectations. The game is no longer a birdie-fest. Par often becomes a good score. You have to choose your times to attack the pin wisely. Start by thinking GIR, and then gradually play more aggressive when the easier lies suggest it. 

    Good luck, and have fun! The extra challenge may seem daunting, but I promise you, it's incredibly rewarding. You come off the course feeling as if you've really engaged with the architect's vision, or in the case of a course like RSG, with what nature created.

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    Uneven Lies...

    Uneven Lie Tutorial

  • HAMINH
    119 Posts
    Tue, Dec 10 2013 1:28 AM

    Corwyn:

    I want to add my thanks to WGT for offering what I hope is the first of many weekly, and free, uneven lie tourneys. Please know there are a lot of dedicated players out there that really want that extra challenge, and as others have said, variety is great. We don't want to deny the 'flat-earthers' their beliefs (!!!), we just want some of the real stuff!

    Also, please let's not turn this thread into another complaint session about unevens. Sure, it isn't entirely realistic, but it's a lot more realistic than finding a perfectly flat lie every time. Around the greens is particularly hard, but to my mind that's where WGT in this gameplay more perfectly simulates Major-level golf.

    +1

    Flat game is too bored for me now I joined RSG UEL RG shoot 69 but still feel better than entering other flat ones it is far more fun  we need more & bigger UEL RGs (200, 300, 500 & 1k...) add more UEL courses like Olympic, Merion, Kiawah, Wistler...thanks WGT anyway

     

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Tue, Dec 10 2013 6:21 AM

    Corwyn:

    I want to add my thanks to WGT for offering what I hope is the first of many weekly, and free, uneven lie tourneys. Please know there are a lot of dedicated players out there that really want that extra challenge, and as others have said, variety is great. We don't want to deny the 'flat-earthers' their beliefs (!!!), we just want some of the real stuff!

    Also, please let's not turn this thread into another complaint session about unevens. Sure, it isn't entirely realistic, but it's a lot more realistic than finding a perfectly flat lie every time. Around the greens is particularly hard, but to my mind that's where WGT in this gameplay more perfectly simulates Major-level golf. These are the courses the Majors are played on; it's not the week-in, week-out PGA tour with bunkers from which the pros expect to knock it stone dead every time. In the Majors the courses are set up tough, so that if you miss a green, perhaps by getting ambitious in aiming at the flag, you pay a heavy penalty. To me, the difficulty of severe lies around the green better simulates the experience of playing top-level golf.

    Please check out the many forum threads offering advice on getting to grips with unevens (good places to start are listed below). Yes, it's a steep learning curve, but now we have the mulligan feature, so there's really no excuse not to load up with starter balls (so that your practice is free!), step out onto a course in unevens practice mode, and begin to figure it out. Playing with starters (even starter clubs) is, IMO, the best way to learn. That's how we all started in this game, after all, and it really helps to go back to basics.

    One of the reasons it's tough around the greens is that the loft on the 'fancy-club' wedges is so extreme. Greater loft exaggerates the effects of an angled lie, essentially increasing the angles... and that's why you get what seem to be WTF shots. Try pitches, or punches instead, and club up until you get a good idea what a red lie box means, and what the speed of the dots are telling you.

    Above all, if you try it, change your expectations. The game is no longer a birdie-fest. Par often becomes a good score. You have to choose your times to attack the pin wisely. Start by thinking GIR, and then gradually play more aggressive when the easier lies suggest it. 

    Good luck, and have fun! The extra challenge may seem daunting, but I promise you, it's incredibly rewarding. You come off the course feeling as if you've really engaged with the architect's vision, or in the case of a course like RSG, with what nature created.

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    Uneven Lies...

    Uneven Lie Tutorial

    Folks really need to take in what Corwyn wrote here. The UL game play is most like playing in real US Opens where one little mistake can destroy a round. Playing the percentages is paramount in keeping the score card from blowing up. Also playing with the idea that the scoring will be like flatland play and birdying every hole is possible is fantasy. It's just not. Taking a realistic look at every single hole and having a defined plan of action is the only way to score well. Corwyn and I always talk about playing the courses as they were designed and having a battle with the course designer. Sometimes you win a hole but on others you must tip your cap to the person who laid out the course or mother nature.

    BTW, Corwyn is lights out the best UL player I know of. He can shoot under par with the starter clubs and ball on a bunch of courses and not from just the front ladies tees. The guy practiced like crazy and it shows on his score cards. He accepts what the game play is in front of him and makes the best of what the clubs can do. He never considers the negative. Dude kicks butt and it won't surprise me if he wins in the Legend Tier with his fancy clubs unless I have the round of a lifetime....  ;)

    GL to everyone and especially those who give it a knock for the first time. Find the challenge instead of the negative and you'll come off the course with a smile regardless of the scorecard.

  • jsweetcr
    1,209 Posts
    Tue, Dec 10 2013 6:30 AM

    I think another part of UEL that you have to be really good at is course management.  Everyone is talking about these extreme lies and how they are unrealistic and in most cases you are correct, but just like we tell people who complain about deep rough, to not hit into it, same applies here.

    On most holes there are flat spots, or at the bare minimum flatter spots. So sometimes the idea of grabbing your driver and hitting it 100% so that you have 120 yard out hitting your pw is not the way to go. Its better to maybe hit your 3wd or not hit full driver and maybe you are 170-200 yards out but not on the side of a mountain and if you have the R11 irons you can knock your 3i-5i dead anyhow. So really learning the courses and using the pitch view and zoom can help you find flatter areas and if you can minimize all the slopes you can minimize how far offline the ball will travel and keep it closer to the even lies game play.

    #12 on Merion is a good example. That entire dogleg left is on a slope, there is no where that doesn't have some kind of a sloped lie, but just the other side of the creek there is a big round area, a tee box or drop area, I don't know, but its relatively flat. So you take an iron out and hit to that area. You may have 170 or more to the pin, but at least you are hitting from a flat area, so making par becomes much more doable and if you figure out you shot correctly maybe you can even make birdie.

    As Dazza said as well, no one says you have to play them, but there is a group of people who like or even love UEL so whats the harm in making a few tourneys. Doesn't cost WGT or the people who don't like UEL anything and its apparent that WGT isn't dedicating any significant time to improving or tweaking UEL so the limited resources of WGT that could be used to benefit everyone are not being used for this, so who cares. If some people like it and want to play it that why not have some tourneys for them

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