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Thu, Dec 24 2015 9:12 AM (162 replies)
  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Sun, Apr 20 2014 8:14 PM

    PRStevenson:
    What you're talking about is US States...and what we're asking for the flags of our countries to be represented.

    I believe he is talking about tribal nations.  For example, the Navajo or Apache Nations are Indian nations.

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Sun, Apr 20 2014 10:11 PM

    Excuse me, PR, I have the impression that you blinded yourself on one eye to hold your view. You want the flags of certain countries but neglect their origin. I'm gonna put my former question more verbose:

     

    What is the country of England if not a political unit?

    What is the country of Scotland if not a political unit?

    What is the country of Wales if not a political unit?

    What is the country of Northern Ireland if not a political unit?

     

    Your argument continues:

    PRStevenson:
    We also have the equivalent of US States in the UK called counties and each county has it's own flag.

    I beg to differ: US states, too, are divided into counties, Aren't these political units, too? And, the political subdivisions of Germany are countries (Länder), too - what about their flags? (BTW, our county equivalents are called Landkreis)

    Another of your statements is based on countries - equality of countries:

    PRStevenson:
    The principal is one of equality. If other countries can be represented with their country flags why can't the countries of England, N. Ireland, Scotland and Wales?

    Equal rights? Part of the worldwide accepted Human Rights for individuals, hardly applicable for (unpolitical?) countries, and certainly no part of WGT's T&Cs.

    I love those "Why?" questions because they ask for reasons behind decisions, which are individual, not general. WGT has provided an answer for that which includes their decision:

    They don't want to change what they established before!

  • PRStevenson
    842 Posts
    Sun, Apr 20 2014 10:30 PM

    andyson:
    I believe he is talking about tribal nations.  For example, the Navajo or Apache Nations are Indian nations.

    Ahh I see...thanks for pointing that out Andyson :)... 

    The point still stands nonetheless. Until such a time as these tribal nations declare independence from the USA and are legitimized as countries we wouldn't expect people to request flags.

  • PRStevenson
    842 Posts
    Sun, Apr 20 2014 10:49 PM

    Alosso your impression of me is wrong. My impression was that you were just playing devil's advocate but now I'm starting to think you are just trolling?

    I don't know if you are being deliberately blunt or you are just facetious to provoke a reaction?

    I've made it abundantly clear that their is no political bias in this request. If you examine the thread, you'll notice that it is only those with objections that are trying to make it political. In almost all cases the objections are for no reason other than to argue over the point for the sake of it.

    If you believe that countries are nothing more than political units then that's up to you, but WGT represents all countries with a flag regardless of their definition - except for four.

    As for equality it's not the 'equality of countries' but equality in the game for players to have their county flags represented, as is the case with most sporting professions...including golf....that game you play here when you're not thinking up some smart-mouthed rebuttal just to get in the last word.

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Mon, Apr 21 2014 12:53 AM

    It has been a good discussion long time, but now I'm disappointed that you avoid to answer my questions and start personal attacks which don't help your point either.

    Again, I don't object to your wishes. This flag or that flag are equally respectable and won't alter my relation to anybody. I've been insisting because I saw objectable arguments and because your further posts didn't convince me.

    IMHO, country flags will remain political until - for example - WGT's logo or may be shown.

    Should have proposed before to agree to disagree - done!

    Happy Easter Monday!

  • PRStevenson
    842 Posts
    Mon, Apr 21 2014 1:27 AM

    alosso:
    Should have proposed before to agree to disagree - done!

    Finally something we can agree on.

    Happy Easter.

  • WoodenHands
    526 Posts
    Mon, Apr 21 2014 10:53 AM

    alosso:

    I beg to differ: US states, too, are divided into counties, Aren't these political units, too? And, the political subdivisions of Germany are countries (Länder), too - what about their flags? (BTW, our county equivalents are called Landkreis)

    I'm not sure if perhaps you are deliberately missing the point , do any of  these subdivisions compete in any international sporting events under their own flag ?

    Answer - no .

    Do Scotland , England , N Ireland and Wales compete in international events under their own flag ?

    Answer - yes .

    Furthermore , in the interests of realism why is it that the self proclaimed " most realistic golf game on the web " finds it too much to implement such a basic request ?

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Mon, Apr 21 2014 1:08 PM

    WoodenHands:
    I'm not sure if perhaps you are deliberately missing the point

    Sorry, you totally missed my point. Go back and try to read in context. Does Sun lecture enable for this feat?

    And, have you ever read a statement of explaining "why?" from WGT? How clever must one be to insist?

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Mon, Apr 21 2014 1:13 PM

    Allow me to make an observation and suggestion.  I checked a few of the UK member friends list and did not find MisterWGT on any of your lists.

    I suggest you all send him a friend invite and then send him a PM bringing this issue up on his radar.

    As the President of WGT, MisterWGT does not always receive news of the community's "burning issues".  And its apparent he doesn't read every thread on the forum.

    Multiple UK members asking politely and calmly for 4 new flags just might get him to ask the devs what it would take to add. 

    Get it on his radar.   The UK represents a significant % of players to WGT.

  • WoodenHands
    526 Posts
    Mon, Apr 21 2014 4:24 PM

    alosso:

    WoodenHands:
    I'm not sure if perhaps you are deliberately missing the point

    Sorry, you totally missed my point. Go back and try to read in context. Does Sun lecture enable for this feat?

    And, have you ever read a statement of explaining "why?" from WGT? How clever must one be to insist?

    OK , sorry  , i presume you are playing devil's advocate and no , i haven't read anything explaining why either .

    I may be a bit slow on the uptake , but what is "Sun lecture" ?

    andyson , thank you for your suggestion , i have sent a friend invite and if accepted shall endeavor to find out if adding the omitted flags would be a possibility .

     

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