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The System is so Broken

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 12:00 PM

  I am not calling this player out. From what I see he/she is honest in posting their scores.

  I am on the other hand calling WGT out.

  Please explain how it is possible that a player can post scores like this (see below) and have a  62.43 average @ level 54 and still maintain a Tour Master status? Only the top cream of the legend tier have averages anything like this player.  How do you think it is reasonable that a player of this caliber needs not only a club advantage but a green speed advantage? 

   

  

  

  10.27.10	Kiawah Island: The Ocean Course	Blitz 9	Tour Master	78455
  10.22.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Back 9	Tour Master	30
  10.21.10	Masters Cup!	Front 9	All Players	34
  10.20.10	Kiawah Island: The Ocean Course	Back 9	Tour Master	31
  10.18.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	32
  10.15.10	Kiawah Island: The Ocean Course	Back 9	Tour Master	32
  10.13.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	32
  10.13.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	29
  10.13.10	Wk 42 9-Hole Single Play	Back 9	Tour Master	31
  10.13.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	33
  10.13.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	31
  10.13.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	33
  10.11.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	32
  10.11.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	34
  10.10.10	Kiawah Island: The Ocean Course	Back 9	Tour Master	33
  10.09.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	32
  10.09.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Front 9	Tour Master	32
  10.08.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Blitz 9	Tour Master	69846
  10.08.10	Kiawah Island: The Ocean Course	Blitz 9	Tour Master	69360
  10.06.10	October Edgewood Tahoe Sweeps		Tour Master	201.68
  10.05.10	Autumn Celtic Manor Tournament		Tour Master	189.85
  10.05.10	Celtic Manor Resort	Blitz 9	Tour Master	78664
  10.05.10	Bethpage Black	Back 9	Tour Master	35
  10.05.10	Bethpage Black	Blitz 9	Tour Master	79374
  10.05.10	Pinehurst No. 8	Blitz 9	Tour Master	63991
  10.05.10	October Pinehurst Sweeps		Tour Master	234.77
  10.05.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Blitz 9	Tour Master	71451
  10.05.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Blitz 9	Tour Master	72896
  10.05.10	St Andrews Links: The Old Course	Blitz 9	Tour Master	66331
  10.04.10	October Kiawah Sweeps		Tour Master	152.04
  10.04.10	October Kiawah Sweeps		Tour Master	174.39
  10.04.10	St Andrews 'Champions' trophy	Front 9	All Players	37
  10.02.10	Kiawah Island: The Ocean Course	Back 9	Tour Master	33
  10.01.10	Kiawah Open	Front 9	All Players	34
  10.01.10	St Andrews Open	Full 18	All Players	73
  10.01.10	My last credits take them lol	Front 9	All Players	34

   

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 12:28 PM

  I became a legend when i started for example getting scores like -7 to -8 (front 9) lowering my average to 59

  the scores you quote are just standard tour master scores

• Bigfoot49uk 59 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 12:48 PM

  Also the majority of scores are on St Andrews front 9, which are the easiest 9 holes on any of the WGT courses. They're nothing special for that 9, I'm only a Master and would expect to shoot those scores or better.

• DougBieker 333 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 12:55 PM

  I definetely think it is time to have a promotion of some of those tour masters to join us as legends.  I have for one have never had my average under 60, I do turn in all my scores and play all courses.  I would think the scores shown would be worthy of promotion to the big boy/girl tees.

• staycool 125 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 1:44 PM

  I feel that if you have to complain about the Tour Master scores then you were not ready to be in the Legend tier when it was added. I did the samething, i padded my avg. to look good then they added the Master tier and i was not ready for it.Since then when i play i finish my rounds and alway shoot for my best score and i know that i'am not good enough yet to be in the Legend tier. I don't think anything needs to be changed.I feel the added tiers have helped to make the play a little more fare for RGT. Legend players are still the ones to beat in the RGT.

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 3:21 PM

  staycool:

  don't think anything needs to be changed.I feel the added tiers have helped to make the play a little more fare

  If you bothered read the forums you would know the best legends in the game have pointed out the unfairness of the tiers. 

  Of course you find the changes fair. They benefited you. Your are the perfect example of a "WGT created" sandbagger. 

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 3:44 PM

  staycool doesn't appear to be a sandbagger to me since he isn't shooting bad rounds to offset superior rounds that are played for money (unless, of course, he is playing on a higher level in MPC.)

  He is definitely a beneficiary of the handicap system, but he appears to be an honest TM as opposed to a legend-caliber player that is shooting bad rounds to keep his average high.

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 4:00 PM

  CharlemagneRH:

  staycool doesn't appear to be a sandbagger to me since he isn't shooting bad rounds to offset superior rounds that are played for money (unless, of course, he is playing on a higher level in MPC.)

  He is definitely a beneficiary of the handicap system, but he appears to be an honest TM as opposed to a legend-caliber player that is shooting bad rounds to keep his average high.

  I know Charle. WGT created the new tier. I am pointing out the new calculation is not working. There is now an elite group of TM's who through no fault of their own have an extremely  unfair advantage. It is still not even being close to a fair system.  

  At least before the change the "true sandbagger" was a Pro who had no where near the advantage the the new TM's have. They at least had to hit with Pro gear which was on many holes less than a club distance. 

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 4:31 PM

  Those look like the scores of someone who is trying to become a legend: Constantly playing the easiest 9 holes over and over and getting some quite good results (but not too special results for any TM for the easiest 9 hole courses - consistently good but not superb). A few more 29s and 30s and you may have a point (and he/she will probably become a legend). Also, no sign of sandbagging or any profiteering from not being a legend so what is the problem?

• BOFFMEN 337 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 5:54 PM

  Kaslo:

    ...I am pointing out the new calculation is not working. There is now an elite group of TM's who through no fault of their own have an extremely  unfair advantage. It is still not even being close to a fair system.  

   

  How in the world can you possibly know this?...the new average system was first posted by WGTSky on 10-21..in which he said in part...

  "WGT is not disclosing the exact number of rounds used to calculate your Average Score, or the minimum Average Score that’s used to advance you to the next Tier. That’s because those numbers will change over time based on overall player scoring, and also because we want to avoid people using that information for unfair advantage."

   What's worse is the player and his scores you called out by "... not calling this player out"...doesn't even play RG's and has only posted a couple of scores since WGTSky's post on the subject.

  So you demonize the Tour Master Tier (again) and prove nothing.

  Please give your arms a rest Kas...you have been beating the wardrums quite a bit lately and on this particular post I believe you went over the edge.