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The System is so Broken

• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:08 PM

  Kaslo and others. I know how you feel, I do.

  The new system is in and it should provide a way to properly assign users. But, we still want the feedback, there is always room for improvement.

• rehill 431 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:17 PM

  We all start out as 150 average, hacks... that's fair. The people that work the hardest and play the most, win tournaments... that's fair. Screw evening the playing field, that's total BS. The people that put the most into the game get the most out of it. Period.

  Kaslo is right on the money. It isn't fair. I couldn't care less about credits, but the truth is this system is broken.

  Jus' my opinion.

• cobaltm 3,961 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:20 PM

  someone can check my math but the way i figured it, his average score over this period was 65.5. is that legend material???

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:22 PM

  VilaRestal:

  Kaslo,

  The number 1 earning TMs scores are as follows:

  72, 67, 30, 61, 37, 30, 65, 37, 31, 38, 33, 36, 34, 67, 33, 32, 33, 28, 63, 31, 72, 31, 32, 37, 74, 29, 33, 32, 30, 34, 72, 35, 34, 72, 32, 31, 71, 34, 64, 30, 32, 33, 33, 67, 34, 32, 69, 33, 63, 33, 34, 71, 33, 31, 33, 32, 67, 69, 35, 66, etc, etc

  Out of 60 games: a 28, a 29 and 4 30s. Certainly not regularly hitting sub 30s, which is what you were claiming.

  Very good scores but what would you expect from the highest earning TM. It doesn't take a genius to figure that the best TM is going to be a prime candidate for becoming a legend.

  Once again a feeble example. And you accuse me of being blind?

  And when was the last time I shot a under 30 round? Before the upgrades. The fact that this player may become a legend is moot. He is not.

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:32 PM

  The point is:

  Yes you're right Kaslo, the system is broken.

  It is obviously not fair that TMs should be able to use the same equipment as legends let alone better equipment.

  There is a definite disincentive to get promoted now at all tiers but especially from TM to Legend.

  Perhaps I misunderstood but it seemed to me your solution to this was to make all TMs Legends too., which is a bloody-minded and foolish idea and would just make it unfun for even more people (who you are not in any competition with because most of them don't play Match Plays or RGs).

  The correct solution is some combination of:

  • Legends (and only Legends) get access to the best equipment.
  • Legends that can't cope get demoted back down to Tour Master.

  (or just scrap the Legends tier altogether)

  Please do those things WGTicon and put a stop to the endless stream of completely justified complaints from Legends. And Kaslo, more TMs being promoted to Legend will mean these forums getting even more flooded with them. You don't really want that do you?

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:37 PM

  WGTicon:

  Kaslo and others. I know how you feel, I do.

  The new system is in and it should provide a way to properly assign users. But, we still want the feedback, there is always room for improvement.

  Let us at least be honest. Nobody called for this level system. It was created by some Chief Financial Officer who cares little about the player base. What does it matter if you alienate some of your members as long as the money keeps coming in. It has been pointed out many many times the unfairness of the new tier system when it comes to Ready Go Tournaments and MPC games. Rather than address this issue,  you compounded it by creating  a new level 81driver, making it available to the TM. This is exactly the same giving a poker player who has already guarenteed 2 aces a 3rd ace from the deck. Great odds for him. Not so good for me.

  No, this is not listening or addressing our concerns and in truth WGT has no intent to do so. What once had the privilege  of calling it's the most realist game can no longer do so. There is no possible way in the real world to have 2 different green speeds on the same round. WGT gonna do what it wants so please don't placate me with the standard we care.

   

• cobaltm 3,961 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:39 PM

  Kaslo:

  Are you blind?

  The number one TM scores are as follows

  Oct 29

  2 games @ 30, 2 games @ 31 and a 18@ 61

  Oct 28

  1 game @ 28, 2 game @ 31

  Oct 27

  Posted a 29

  Number 2 TM money earner

  Oct 29

  2 games @ 30, 1 game @ 29

  Now you show me average Legend shooting scores like this in Ready Goes. Only the very elite of our tier scores like this. It seem quite obvious to me that if you are shooting scores like this you shouldn't be a TM and if you are then the system is broken. Do you honestly believe a player of this caliber should be a Tour Master?

   

  wow, this poor guy actually might have beaten some legends? how dare he win money in a tournament made FAIR by putting him closer than a better player. they never do that in real tournies, no wait, THEY DO, and they give the lesser player strokes to boot. now, if he were made a legend and moved back, no doubt he would not score as well and BE PUT IN HIS PLACE as a lesser being only good to put up money for his BETTERS to win. DID I GET THAT BOUT RIGHT KASLO?.

   

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:42 PM

  cobaltm:

  DID I GET THAT BOUT RIGHT KASLO?.

  You got it.. Except maybe you didn't notice. He's the better player. He's posting scores better than 90% of the legends. That seem fair? Yes if he was forced legend the I am willing to bet he'd still win as many games as I do.  He hardly seems like the type of player who needs the advantage of a 2 club closer tee, a slower green and longer driver. 

   

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• LordPercy 58 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 6:02 PM

  For me, I would define a legend as those who were hitting low/sub 60 averages prior to the changes. Not their fault, they just had become exceptional at this game.  But WGT did have to do something so that the majority of players who ranged from lower levels to even the quite good had a chance to make more than scraps from the RTG dance floor.

  Consistently coming up against 10 or more sub 30/ sub 62 scores in these events was demoralising many players who were fighting for even enough credits to break even in these events. For me, it did inspire me to practice/play more to get better, but it did feel pretty crappy to regularly ht a very good round then get swamped. 

  Earnings aren't a major significance as to whether or not you should be a legend...they just indicate that someone plays most of the RTG's, although you need to regularly place well to be up there. To me, I would suggest that a low variance in scores is more indicative of the legend tier. These are the blokes and blokesses who rarely shoot OVER -2 for a 9 hole round/-4 over 18. Yes, I have recently cracked the sub 30 round after a number of rounds where mistakes/game glitches cost me breaking thyat magical barrier. One round where every putt seemed to drop hit the stratospheric 27...does that make me legend material, no. Because then I will go out and struggle to shoot an even par round. 

  I would probably expect to make legend in the maybe not so near future simply because my best rounds are quite good and the system will pick that up.

  The legends are not out of it...I regularly see legends hanging around the middle and upper echelons of the RTG leader boards. They just stopped whinging and concentrated on getting better. And isn't that what golf is about....bettering yourself and the course. Real or online. I got the chance to play in a blitz group with a legend yesterday....and could see why he is one of the best. Yes, I was able to match him fairly well, but his best was certainly above mine.

  I won't be setting up measuring sticks to place on my screen for the meters, or other such add-ons. That does my head in and takes away the enjoyment factor.  I play simply by feel and memory/experience on the courses. If/when I make legend, I will simply have to accept and play as best I can or at least start making notes to improve my game even further. Not *** and whinge about how others get a better deal than me, or more whinging about gameplay issues that have been rehashed twenty times over. 

  Yes, there's some f***ed up areas in the game. There seems to be more of a concentration on fancy bells and whistles to detract from the real game issues....but i'm willing to give WGT the chance to fix it. If it becomes obvious that they are not interested in seriously improving the real stuff, then I'll simply either play it as it is, or wander off into the sunset instead of bitching on.

• cobaltm 3,961 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 6:14 PM

  Kaslo:

  cobaltm:

  DID I GET THAT BOUT RIGHT KASLO?.

  You got it . Except maybe you didn't notice. He's the better player. He's posting scores better than 90% of the legends. That seem fair? Yes if he was forced legend the I am willing to bet he'd still win as many games as I do. 

   

  okay, i'll  take 1 more stab at this from a different angle. I, AM A LESSER BEING!!!!  shooting from the same tee's and using the exact same equipment, i would lose 5 and 4 to the best of the best every time in an MPC.(costly for me, boring for them) SOLUTION???1. never play the best of the best (bummer for me) 2.handicap the best of the best by moving him back some to give me a chance to lose 3 and 2 or heaven forbide, 2 and 1. this KINDA seems fair to me, but then,please mr kaslo ur opinion on this scenario                

   

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