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The System is so Broken

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 6:31 PM

  BOFFMEN:

  on this particular post I believe you went over the edge.

  What  you believe is completely irrelevant to me.

  You're just another TM defending a unfair system that benefits only you. You will of course notice the only people defending WGT are tour masters that  find the situation favorable. I will continue to point out the complete unfairness of the current system until it becomes fair. If you don't like what I type feel free not to read it. 

• BOFFMEN 337 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 6:43 PM

  I'm not defending anything...my post was only in response to your original post..

  For what little I play I'm trying very hard to become a Legend...so your thoughts on me are wrong.

  I play fair and I play honest...

  My comment would not have changed even if I were a Legend.

   

• palupear 50 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 7:20 PM

  Yeah, I gotta say I hear a lot of competition- and frustration-driven complaints from Legends about Tour Master scoring and, as a TM, I can tell you my scores have soared since the new level system was installed.  It looks to me like it has become much harder to score well for TMs and Legends both.  Since I've started playing with any frequency, every level change is accompanied with longer tee boxes and green conditions.  From what I can see Legends still score as low or lower in most tournaments (but it seems odd to see hacks and amateurs with 59 to 61 scores in some tourneys) and players who spend most of their time on St. Andrews and Kiawah for their ranked rounds, or that play mostly unlimited tourneys, tend to have lower average scores than those that play Bethpage and Oakm with frequency.  Distance and green speed is one of the few ways that wgt seems to use for leveling the field without use of a regular handicap system.

  I'm super frustrated with the game because it doesn't seem to reward good shots and club selection like before and I lose 3 to 5 shots a round on the tricked up greens.  The club distance indicators are whack for some clubs and the random deviation really sticks in my craw.  I know most of it is in my head and they will fix all the systemic issues by the 30th year of the Beta test. 

• jeffdos924 1,085 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 8:01 PM

  Kaslo:

  You're just another TM defending a unfair system that benefits only you. You will of course notice the only people defending WGT are tour masters that  find the situation favorable. I will continue to point out the complete unfairness of the current system until it becomes fair.

   

   I'll be the first to admit that Legends  got screwed, at least as far as RG's and MPC's are concerned.... but I sure as hell am getting tired of being labeled a sandbagger just b/c I'm a TM.  I've played over 2000 ranked rounds , and my 65-67 average is pretty much on the money ... and that's too bad,  I'd give my left testicle to make the jump to Legend.

  Is the setup now favorable to the TM's ? ... absolutely!  IF THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

   This is how I look at it. I used to gripe about sandbagging pros as much as any master  even though, technically, they weren't doing anything wrong. It just wasn't right.  I feel like I'd be a huge hypocrite if I took advantage of the difference between the tee boxes now, so I refuse to do it.

  The day after the update, I made my first and only notes about this game, comparing the yardages between master & legend tees. Every single match I've played v. a Legend since the update has been played even .. or, at least as even as I can make it. Some holes I can choke down on my driver but, most holes, I tee off with 3w or lower ( as low as 5 iron on Kia #13).   This leaves me similar approaches, often longer b/c irons just do not roll out the same ( I'm still tweaking ). End result is a level playing field, which most of the legends I play with appreciate.

   

   

• jakestanfill7 949 Posts

  Wed, Oct 27 2010 8:32 PM

  I attest to that Jeff.  You're a true gentleman!

  BTW, I could give a rats ass about the TM advantage.  I do think it's stupid they play with the same equipment we do but so be it.  Just fix the mot#$ f#$%$n meter issues.  I don't mind hitting 2 more clubs into most every green as long as I can get near the center of the meter.  Meter spikes and freezes with 4 iron into many greens or on tight driving holes from the tips is a death sentence.

  Curiously, the meter has been an increasingly sore subject for over 50% of players I've played with for months, but WGT won't say peep about it.

  1. They have no idea how to remedy it which is probably most accurate.
  2. WGT loves to hear people say how sh$%^y their product is.
  3. It's a money maker because of lost balls so they have no desire to address it.
  4. Their suggested computer specs are way off and you need a much more powerful system to play the game with minimal issues.  I have 2 comps that both beat specs but am very close to hanging up my spikes because it's so maddening.  Every other game I've run on each computer has ZERO issues, including TWO, where unfortunately I'll probably be getting my virtual golf fix soon.

  I do love this stupid game, but it seems WGT is losing it's handle.  Idiotic green mapping is exaggerated even more on tourney greens, deviations are getting insane, and meter gets worse with every update (which they have admitted).

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 12:27 PM

  And still incredibly broken. I just love the level 81 TM's shooting 29's in the ready goes and to  make it really really fair. They get to use a bigger driver than me. Game is screwed

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 12:57 PM

  Kaslo:

  just love the level 81 TM's shooting 28's in the ready goes and to  make it really really fair. They get to use a bigger driver than me.

  But the guy you singled is none of those things: Not level 81, not Shooting 28s and not using a bigger club than you.

  Legends have been hard done by. It seems your solution Kaslo is to get everyone else made legend too. So long as the game is crap for everyone then that's fine by you.

  You should stick to arguing for better conditions for the legends instead of trying to stir up witch hunts against people who obviously are not sandbaggers.

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 1:03 PM

  Obvious it's not the same person. And yes as long as I see that a TM can continually post scores sub 30's on par 9 I will complain. I think that the system should be fair and that is certainly not a reality.

• VilaRestal 95 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 1:27 PM

  But this guy wasn't doing that!

  I think you owe him/her an apology.

  The system may be unfair but you're not helping your argument by giving such inadmissable evidence.

  Perhaps you'd care to give an example of these level 81 TMs constantly shooting sub 30 scores?

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Fri, Oct 29 2010 2:25 PM

  VilaRestal:

  Legends have been hard done by. It seems your solution Kaslo is to get everyone else made legend too. So long as the game is crap for everyone then that's fine by you.

  You should stick to arguing for better conditions for the legends instead of trying to stir up witch hunts against people who obviously are not sandbaggers.

  I agree.

  What about those Legends shooting sub 20's, consistently from the tips? I don't see where your argument holds water at all Kaslo. You've been playing "all player" Ready-Go's since mid September, with two rounds from the tips. 

  Not all Tour Masters come from the same mold Kaslo. This new average system WGT has come-up with is taking all tiered members in the wrong direction. I'm actually starting to play half way decent, and my average hasn't moved in four days. Like a few other Tour Masters, I'm not hiding behind my average. I couldn't wait to become a Master, and I did. It's not a Tour Masters fault WGT put this F'd-up average system in place.

  It also isn't my fault I had i15 clubs when WGT decided to implement Tiers & Levels. The other poster is right, you should concentrate your anger towards something more constructive like the playability issues of this game that many members suffer from.

  You're right about one thing Kaslo, the system is broken.